Far Better To Build Immune System than Count on Vaccines

[marke]

This is definitely not true, liar.

You have already done things today that are far more dangerous than taking these vaccines.

I believe Americans should be free to take personal risks if they choose. If I refuse to get the shot then that supposedly hurts nobody who claims they will be protected from covid if they get the shot for themselves. Let people get the shot or not. That is the American way.

You're a delusional liar.

This is because, in addition to being a liar, you are incapable of properly assessing risk.


No one on this thread has said a single syllable contrary to this. Who are you arguing with now, the boogy-man under your bed?

You assess risks for yourself. Stop worrying about how I assess risks for myself.

 

[marke]

This has nothing to do with what I said. Try reading the post before responding please.

No one got a covid shot because of any vaccine passport until something less than a month ago.

Vaccine passports are not required by free nations - just enslaved nations.

 

[marke]

Conspiracy theory nonsense that you have exactly zero evidence for and that is, in fact, contrary to any actual scientific evidence that you can cite.

You mock some reports and promote others. I do not agree that your sources provide better evidence and reasons than do some of the reports you mock. I read reports and draw my own conclusions, just like you do. I'm sorry if we do not agree.

 

[marke]

I didn't say that.

No, it's definitely not okay.

It's also entirely irrelevant to whether the vaccines are safe and effective and the fact remains that there has been no such mandate that "prevents people from doing business in New York" as was the claim.

The point being that if you are forced to bring up irrelevancies and over state things in order to bolster your case, then you're building your case on wet sand.

De Blasio is issuing unconstitutional edicts whether you realize it or not.

New York City will require vaccines for entry to restaurants and gyms

New York City will require proof of vaccination to enter all restaurants, fitness centers and indoor entertainment venues, Mayor Bill de Blasio announced Tuesday.

www.cnn.com

New York (CNN)New York City will require proof of vaccination to enter all restaurants, fitness centers and indoor entertainment venues, Mayor Bill de Blasio announced Tuesday.
"If you're unvaccinated, unfortunately, you will not be able to participate in many things," de Blasio said. "If you want to participate in our society fully, you've got to get vaccinated."

 

[Lon]

it does not prevent transmission

A little misleading: 1) I'm not a carrier if my antibodies kill it on contact 2) The amount of time I'd be a threat to anybody is a much smaller window.

 

[way 2 go]

A little misleading: 1) I'm not a carrier if my antibodies kill it on contact 2) The amount of time I'd be a threat to anybody is a much smaller window.

no, the infected vaxed spread wuflu , think of it as NyQuil™ with potentially worse side effects ,like death
that being said
imagine if NyQuil™ had this in 7 months of use

 

[Lon]

no, the infected vaxed spread wuflu , think of it as NyQuil™ with potentially worse side effects ,like death
that being said
imagine if NyQuil™ had this in 7 months of use

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A different topic, I'm not for or against vaccination, just did it and am apparently not one of the 6.5%. Upon the other point, the inoculation is effective to 93.5% to 96% of us. We simply don't get Covid so have nothing to pass on (one of the reasons I went ahead). I wonder if the $ is gone, it seemed like giving people transfusions of the same blood-type, from those who had Covid, was solid enough.

 

[way 2 go]

A different topic, I'm not for or against vaccination, just did it and am apparently not one of the 6.5%. Upon the other point, the inoculation is effective to 93.5% to 96% of us.

0.7 to 1.3 absolute risk reduction link

We simply don't get Covid so have nothing to pass on (one of the reasons I went ahead).

vaxed are getting wuflu in Israel more than the "control group™ "

I wonder if the $ is gone, it seemed like giving people transfusions of the same blood-type, from those who had Covid, was solid enough.

ivermectin works too , 86% Prophylaxis & 69% in early treatment ,ie Joe Rogan

 

[Yorzhik]

I didn't say that.

No, it's definitely not okay.

It's also entirely irrelevant to whether the vaccines are safe and effective and the fact remains that there has been no such mandate that "prevents people from doing business in New York" as was the claim.

The point being that if you are forced to bring up irrelevancies and over state things in order to bolster your case, then you're building your case on wet sand.

This isn't a NY mandate on businesses?: NEW YORK—Mayor Bill de Blasio today announced the Key to NYC vaccination mandate for indoor dining, entertainment and fitness will start tomorrow, August 17. Enforcement will begin, with a multi-agency coalition, on September 13. Read the Executive Order here.

And beyond that, the short term results are fine for the vaccine. But you have to admit that I'm being reasonable and following the science if I want to wait for the long term results and since I'm in a demographic where COVID is less deadly than the regular flu.

And then there is giving tyrants like de Blasio positive feedback. I'm saving lives by not doing what he says even if there was a pandemic.

Now, before you go off emotionally about there not being a pandemic, let me clarify. If COVID was a pandemic then we have a pandemic every flu season. I think the word pandemic should mean something so that word should be used for something much worse than even a bad flu season. And thus, the fact remains, had we used the treatments available and protected the vulnerable, there would have been zero excess deaths in 2020 (or only as bad as a bad flu season). Since the worst of the "pandemic" and its variants are passed, the best way out of this is not the vaccines but to treat this disease like we treat the yearly flu. That's nothing against the vaccines, but treating the vaccines as a support like we normally do.

 

[Lon]

0.7 to 1.3 absolute risk reduction link


vaxed are getting wuflu in Israel more than the "control group™ "

Interestingly, in Israel, almost all injections were Pfizer. The rate of infection isn't quite as cut and dry and they are being infected with the Delta variant. Some of the further complications are they think in Israel, with Pfizer, that the effectiveness wanes (might be true of Moderna and Johnson & Johnson).

ivermectin works too , 86% Prophylaxis & 69% in early treatment ,ie Joe Rogan

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We are likely going to see more mRNA research since it is on the forefront, but I'd hope other research continues.

 

[way 2 go]

Interestingly, in Israel, almost all injections were Pfizer. The rate of infection isn't quite as cut and dry and they are being infected with the Delta variant. Some of the further complications are they think in Israel, with Pfizer, that the effectiveness wanes (might be true of Moderna and Johnson & Johnson).

they are talking 4th shot already , not a vaccine , it is mRNA gene therapy
just hope it dose not lead to ADE

We are likely going to see more mRNA research since it is on the forefront, but I'd hope other research continues.

there is no fda approved treatment for wuflu,
but pfizer is working on a twice daily pill to go with the "monthly" ? shot
but not ivermectin too cheap

 

[Gary K]

Vaccinated people carry 251 times the viral load, when infected with the coronavirus, than the unvaccinated people do. In other words, they get far sicker than the unvaccinated.

This sounds like what happened to all the safety study animals in previous attempts to create mrna vaccines. This time all animal studies were dropped. That means no safety studies. They went straight to testing on humans. ADE is what killed the animals

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dr-peter-mccullough-tells-rfk-jr-the-vaccines-are-failing/

 

[way 2 go]

Vaccinated people carry 251 times the viral load, when infected with the coronavirus, than the unvaccinated people do. In other words, they get far sicker than the unvaccinated.

This sounds like what happened to all the safety study animals in previous attempts to create mrna vaccines. This time all animal studies were dropped. That means no safety studies. They went straight to testing on humans. ADE is what killed the animals

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dr-peter-mccullough-tells-rfk-jr-the-vaccines-are-failing/

not good news

 

[way 2 go]

Vaccinated people carry 251 times the viral load, when infected with the coronavirus, than the unvaccinated people do. In other words, they get far sicker than the unvaccinated.

This sounds like what happened to all the safety study animals in previous attempts to create mrna vaccines. This time all animal studies were dropped. That means no safety studies. They went straight to testing on humans. ADE is what killed the animals

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dr-peter-mccullough-tells-rfk-jr-the-vaccines-are-failing/

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Background​

Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) emerged in China in 2002 and spread to other countries before brought under control. Because of a concern for reemergence or a deliberate release of the SARS coronavirus, vaccine development was initiated. Evaluations of an inactivated whole virus vaccine in ferrets and nonhuman primates and a virus-like-particle vaccine in mice induced protection against infection but challenged animals exhibited an immunopathologic-type lung disease.

 

[way 2 go]

There is no one who has claimed that "their shots do not harm or kill anyone".

Clete

now the definition of vax has changed
so now the vax is just like NyQuil™

trust the science™

 

[Gary K]

now the definition of vax has changed
so now the vax is just like NyQuil™

trust the science™

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Just look at how much science the "vaccine" supporters have to deny, at the cost of their own lives, to take these "vaccines". How anyone can believe the constantly changing narrative of people like Fauci just baffles me. Vaxxers inability to recognize truth is amazing. The level of cognitive dissonance it takes to do what they do is just off the charts.

 

[Clete]

This took me awhile to appreciate. I was under the 'assumption' that it didn't stop the disease, just made it milder. The media and doctors could have done a better job: it really does keep it from being transmitted in most cases. I was fully unaware of that when I got the vaccine. I took it for two reasons: 1) my daughter cannot taste or smell for 8 months now. I figured I'd at least not have to deal with that. 2) I was hounded by a friend. I'm in pretty good health, but just to keep my good friend from bugging me (echoes of Luke 11).

To be fair, though there are about 20 years of mRNA testing in mice, we don't know of long-term affects to date, in people. I wholly empathize with anyone concerned over this shot.

A reasonable position.

What isn't reasonable about what others here are doing is the spreading of intentional misinformation and the recalcitrant resistance to any evidence or argument against the fear mongering nonsense they are here to disseminate.

 

[Clete]

Clete - I've worked in the field. These medications have not been proven safe in the manner that a normal vaccine would be. If a normal vaccine had the same problems that these three are showing to have, it would be yanked from distribution, summarily.

This is flatly false. I don't care what field you've worked in, you are factually, fundamentally and flatly wrong.

The false premises that you're working under are that they are effective,

There can be no doubt at all that they are effective. That was not only proven before they were released but have been proven in the real world by any rational metric you care to name.

that they will continue to be effective

How can the fact that are effective and the idea that they will continue to be effective BOTH be false premises? (They can't!)

Whether they will continue to be effective and for how long is still an open question. It seems that they have always expected the effects to only last six to eight months. Chances are that they have really good reason to expect that. In any case, it has nothing to do with any premise that I'm operating under.

and that they won't be determined to have side effects of a severity that would not normally be deemed acceptable.

There is no evidence to suggests that any such side effects are even possible. The stuff they inject you with is gone within several days of getting the shot. After that, the only thing in your body that wouldn't normally be there are proteins that your own body is manufacturing and that your immune system is building defenses against and that protien production process doesn't last more than a few weeks after which all that's left is the immune cells that stick around quite a while waiting to see if any more of those protein show up in your blood stream. They could show up in the form of a booster shot which causes your body to manufacture more of them or they could show up as part of the outside shell of the COVID 19 virus. If they don't show up at all, then your body calls the all clear and stops production of the antibodies and the effects have thus warn off.

This is the way things go with other vaccines, like the flu vaccines. The major difference being that there isn't any MRNA telling your body to make the stuff your immune system is being trained to kill. If MRNA frightens you then take the J&J vaccine which has nothing to do with MRNA.

Clete

 

[Clete]

You should be ashamed of yourself for judging me like that.

Judge rightly is no some guys name.

What are you trying to tell me, that its wrong to judge? Hypocrite!

I have posted info that you do not like and cannot refute.

LIAR!!!

I have totally refuted every single syllable of your ridiculous fear mongering lies and you know it! All you've done is repeatedly ignored those argument and repeated yourself as though nothing had been said.

Someone posted this and you either did not see it or did not believe it. Don't call me a liar for believing credible reports you reject for whatever reason.

Coronavirus

Pfizer vaccine recipients seven times more likely to get symptomatic Delta than recoverers (people with “natural immunity”) - Israeli data (Guardian, 8/27/21)

It's a lie, Marke! You KNOW its a lie! Everyone who reads just the headline knows its a lie unless they're like you, either stupid or delusional. You can tell its false even if you know practically nothing at all about it. Even by whatever metric they're using, it's nothing but a trick of statistics. Just because you're less likely to be reinfected with natural immunity vs. vaccinated immunity does NOT mean that you're like to be reinfected with vaccinated immunity.

Look, if you have 10,000,000,000 nails and 10,000 of them are bent and I have 1000 nails and only 7 of them are bent, who has the most bent nails?

If you pulled a nail at random from each of our piles, then you'd be seven times less like to get a bent one out of your pile but that doesn't mean you're even close to wasting your time trying to get a good nail out of my pile.


Clete

 

[Clete]

It is assumed that medicines are as effective as their promoters claim, but that may not be entirely accurate.

THIS IS AN INTENTIONAL LIE!!!!!

This is just conspiracy theory nonsense! Now your delusional mind is calling into question not just a vaccine that uses new technology but ALL vaccines! That's right ALL vaccines! There is nothing you can say to undermine trust in both the safety and the effectiveness of the flue vaccines that would not directly apply to every vaccine you have ever heard of because there is no fundamental difference between the flu vaccines than pretty much any other vaccine that has ever been produced prior to 2020.

We cannot possibly know a medicine alone kept someone from getting an illness as long as there are millions who did not get the medicine and did not get the illness.

Utter stupidity that I have directly refuted more than one already and that you know I've refuted and yet not only repeat this nonsense but then accuse me of being unable to refute it!

You're just a flat out liar. That's all there is to it.

Flu vaccines are also not without histories of complications.

Irrelevant and you know it, liar.

Clete