I don't necessarily "favor the shot". What I favor is people making rational decisions based on reality instead of fear based decision making based on lies, conspiracy theories and propaganda.
Far Better To Build Immune System than Count on Vaccines
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Of course they are! That's the point of having a republic. Not that leaving is the first option. The first option can be either fighting over reach in the courts and / or voting in people who don't over reach. I'd say leaving the state is a distant third option at best.
You are a liar.
There aren't two sides, not really. At best there is scientific studies and data on one side and lies, conspiracy theories and propaganda on the other. You and Fauci are on the same side of that particular spectrum just with different conclusions.
No you don't! You ignore science and math! You're fixated on "Marxist edicts" to the point of delusion, seeing government boogy-men behind every bush.
You seem stuck on an opinion that does not allow common sense or simple logic. People have gotten sick from the covid shot and some have died, yet you claim the risk is insignificant.
Here is a question for you. If you needed a certain pill to keep yourself from dying would you take one from a batch that had one million good pills but also one poisonous pill in the batch, if there was no way to tell which pill was poisonous?
I agree but the word pandemic has no meaning at all if COVID 19 doesn't count as one.
Perhaps it no longer qualifies as one but it certainly did in the spring and summer of 2020 when it was declared as such.
The flu wouldn't normally count as a pandemic because it is an endemic disease. If a new strain comes out that is particularly virulent then that might be called a pandemic like the Spanish Flu was, for example but the term pandemic has a pretty specific definition. It's basically an epidemic of a non-endemic infectous disease that is happening is multiple countries at once. Here's the definition that wikipedia gives...
A pandemic (from Greek πᾶν, pan, "all" and δῆμος, demos, "local people" the 'crowd') is an epidemic of an infectious disease that has spread across a large region, for instance multiple continents or worldwide, affecting a substantial number of people. A widespread endemic disease with a stable number of infected people is not a pandemic. Widespread endemic diseases with a stable number of infected people such as recurrences of seasonal influenza are generally excluded as they occur simultaneously in large regions of the globe rather than being spread worldwide.
By that definition I think COVID 19 still stands as a pandemic.
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I'm waiting for us to come full circle to the Mulan variant. That's when the virus officially goes tranny and becomes resistant to all scientific inquiry.
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The Ronacoaster, Once You Get in the Vaccine Car You Ain’t Getting Off Until The Ride’s Over
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Essentially, the LA public health officials are stating the exact same thing that Dr. Anthony Fauci said last Sunday on CBS Face The Nation. The Mu variant is showing greater infectious transmissibility, and simultaneously the data shows this variant -yet again- has an ability to evade the vaccine induced specific antibodies.
The Delta variant had the same set of traits as described above for Mu. Greater transmissibility, greater ability to avoid vaccine induced antibodies, but less deadly than the original virus. This mutation (ie variant) is why vaccinated persons were later discovered to be capable of being infected (with higher loads of virus) and transmitting or shedding the variant at higher levels. Thus, the need for a booster to target the Delta variant (shot 3).
The Lambda variant had the same set of traits as the Delta variant. Greater transmissibility, greater ability to avoid vaccine induced antibodies, but less deadly than the Delta strain. This mutation (ie variant) is why vaccinated persons (2 shots) who also had the booster (shot 3) were capable of being infected and transmitting the next variant. Thus the need for booster shot 4 (see Israel).
The Mu variant now has the same set of traits as the Lambda and Delta variant. Greater tranmissibiltiy, greater ability to avoid vaccine induced antibodies, but likely less deadly than the Delta and Lambda strain. It is yet to be determined if booster shot 5 will be needed (Israel beta-test), or if BigPharma can blend, or as Dr. Fauci stated Sunday “mix and match”, vaccine ingredients from Delta and Mu into one mRNA booster in the U.S. which would technically be called booster one (shot three).
Bottom line, the vaccine makers are chasing variants and modifying the “vaccine” shots to keep up.
The COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, virus was created in a lab. The vaccine was created to address that virus. However, the vaccine created variants. The variants require boosters…. which generate variants…. which require boosters…. which generate variants.
It seems like one long ronacoaster that you get locked into once you take the vaccine, and you ain’t getting off until the strain of the variant gets so weak that it no longer requires a booster to chase it
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The reality is that the covid shot does not prevent people from getting covid and even the drug companies claim the shot must be backed by more boosters in the future to do any good.
Americans once fought a civil war over disagreements about rights. Don't think it cannot happen again.
You can claim all reputable scientists agree, but that would be stupid.
Yes, I am fixated on leftist democrat efforts to replace American capitalism with ungodly Marxism, and democrat mishandling of the covid mess Fauci helped to create is part of their problem.
No, Marke! That's the opposite of reality! It prevents tons of people from getting covid. In fact very nearly everyone who gets the shot doesn't have tow worry about getting COVID at all and even if they do get it, it will almost certainly be a mild case.
That's reality, Marke. The reality is there's not a great deal of reason at this point to be scared of COVID 19 at all unless you're in a high risk group (i.e. over 65 and / or you have a condition that causes your body to have a hard time processing sugars) and there's far far less reason to be scared of these vaccines.
You are a liar. Of the two of us, I'm the one who has actual scientific studies and real world data to PROVE my case. All you do is ignore data and facts and repeat yourself and lie about how I haven't refuted your fear mongering.
That's right! Except that it isn't a claim, its the truth. Just because you cannot properly assess the risks in your life doesn't make the truth a matter of my personal opinion.
As asked, I'd take one of those pills every day and two on Sunday's.
I'd do that for the exact same reason that I DO NOT spend money on lottery tickets.
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They make no such claim. The fact that you have to overstate the truth every time you open your mouth is proof that you know what you're doing is a lie.
The shots have already done a great deal of good and the need for a booster has to do with that positive effect being perpetuated further into the future. The companies that produce these vaccines have never claimed that they will produce permanent immunity. A fact that you know full well and that you don't even dispute. Just because you can't (refuse to) see that there is a gigantic benefit even with temporary immunity, doesn't mean that benefit doesn't exist and isn't plainly obvious to anyone who isn't a fear mongering moron bent on scaring people for no reason.
You'd better be praying that such a war doesn't happen. The fact is that even with the idiots in power now, we are still more free in America today than 99.9% of all the human being that have ever lived on planet Earth and there's no guaranteeing which side would win that war. George Washington only just barely won and that was mostly because the country he was fighting was based half a world away. In case you hadn't noticed, most of the higher up generals are all woke leftists and if a civil war started here, it wouldn't take two days before China and all the rest of out enemies came running to help the left and they wouldn't even be shy about it.
You're projecting, Marke!
I haven't made any such claim at all. Not a syllable of anything similar to that has ever come out of my mouth!
Leftist think science has something to do with consensus, it doesn't. Science has NOTHING to do with opinion. Science, real science has to do with fact, logic and proof. It has to do with discovering the actual nature of reality. It is NOT a collective based endeavor where the majority rules. Only in the mind of a leftist would such a thought even get formulated.
This is why you SHOULD HAVE been convinced that these shots work after spending ten seconds looking at those charts comparing the results of the real shots to placebo shots. The fact that it didn't move you an inch is proof enough to me that you're not the least bit interested in science or the facts. You're interested in being scared and in scaring others. You're interested in emotions, not facts just exactly like the leftist mentality that you want to try to pin on me.
You left off "...to the point of delusional hysteria."
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This is also true of most people who do not get the shot. The lower you go in age, the closer the risk gets to zero. The vaccine may do something but it's not the panacea people were hoping for. It's basically a glorified flu vaccine that will have to be re-upped every year. But unlike the flu shot, the Chinavirus vax hasn't been around long enough for us to form a long-term safety profile.