You should admit that you over state everything because your position is weak to the point of being delusional.
Far Better To Build Immune System than Count on Vaccines
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As if there is a connection. You're just nothing at all but a liar and a fool.
Of course there is.
If this unbelievably stupid comment was even close to true then there would be no way for any drug to be tested for safety and effectiveness.
The fact is that there is not only a way to prove the vaccines are safe and effective but that they have, in fact, been proven to be both.
So what, Marke?
The exact same thing could have been said about small pox or rabies or any disease you want to name that is now practically gone because of vaccines.
Millions of people throughout Europe never contracted the Black Plague. Does that mean there's no way to prove that the disease is carried by rats and the fleas the bite both rats and humans?
Measles was never a ubiquitous disease. Way more people never got it than did. Do you doubt that the Measles vaccine works?
Millions of people contract the flu every year. Do you doubt that the flu vaccines work?
News flash! Vaccinations are on the rise and so are covid infections. Vaccinations are not only failing to prevent the spread of covid but they are also not slowing down its spread.
Too many medical and political figures are propagating the accepted narratives about the vaccines using only selected data for support. They are clearly wrong to dismiss data showing serious problems with the vaccines.
Vaccine passports are being promoted by leftists who cannot see why such mandates are not harmonious with American freedoms and rights.
Is the kitchen getting too hot for you? Hot as "hell" maybe?
This is a quote from your source:
Fact check: COVID-19 vaccines provide safer, more consistent immunity than infection
In the case of COVID-19, Scientists are still studying how long natural immunity lasts versus vaccine immunity.
www.usatoday.com
"So far, studies of lasting immunity to COVID-19 have been encouraging for both the vaccines and natural infections," Dr. Ellen Foxman, an assistant professor of laboratory medicine and immunobiology at the Yale School of Medicine, said in an email. "However, keep in mind that this virus has only been around since late 2019/early 2020, and vaccines since later in 2020 — so no one can claim to know if immunity lasts for longer than that."
USA is reporting what 8 experts said. Maybe those experts are right that natural immunity is strong and possibly long-lasting and that immunity from vaccines cannot yet be proven to be effective for long periods of time.
No, I do not trust the flu vaccine. I have had the flu and am not afraid of the flu. I have had covid and am not afraid of covid. But, of course, I am a Christian and believe for me it would in some very relevant aspects be better to die and go to heaven than to remain here on earth dealing with sin and sickness.
Here is info on the flu vaccine:
(NaturalNews) New data presented at IDWeek 2012 shows a small mortality risk the flu poses for healthy children. Considering that 30 percent of all flu vaccines can come with adverse reactions, and according to the CDC, six percent of those will be “serious” events–including death, we are long past the point of diminishing return. Of course, their overall Big Pharma findings support the usual public rhetoric that encourages families to line up and bare their arms en-mass for a shot to prove that they take the flu virus seriously every year.
ID Week 2012 is, of course, sponsored by the highly politicized Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) which is fraught with a dark past of conflicts of interests. Joining in is the Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America, which is federally funded and in bed with its admitted “partner”, the CDC. Next, comes the HIV Medicine Association, which nests neatly under the protective wing of the IDSA. Finally up, the Pediatric Infectious Diseases Society, which, by its own admission, is funded in part by Big Pharma interests. Can we trust these guys to be objective? When donkeys fly…
The Flu Vaccine Facts Straight from the CDC
In searching the year 2011 on the CDC Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System website–(http://vaers.hhs.gov/index)– it was found that 51 deaths were caused by the flu vaccines, along with 232 life-threatening events, 116 permanent disabilities, 739 hospitalizations, 109 prolonged hospitalizations, 4,039 ER visits, and 6,221 “not serious” reports. According to the National Vaccine Information Center, fewer than one percent of all adverse vaccine reactions are ever reported. If this is true, you can add two zeroes to any of other above figures to be closer to actual numbers. Nice odds, huh?
Flu shots kill and maim. As stated above, 30 percent of flu vaccinations come with adverse reactions, and about six percent of all adverse reactions bring with them serious health events, including death. What the CDC neglects to tell you is that in five recent studies, people who did get the 2008-2009 flu shot were more likely to get the swine flu than those who did not take the poke. Also, with the flu vaccine came three times more risk of hospitalization in children. Source: American Thoracic Society, May 2009.
You should be more open to the possibility that it is you who is deceived, not the experts we are quoting here.
The CDC does not keep accurate records of covid infections and deaths. Thousands of deaths attributed to covid should not have been attributed to covid. The CDC does not track breakout infections and deaths in those who have been vaccinated. A hospital full of covid patients does not prove vaccinations are working or are not working.
Big states with high percentages of masking and social distancing have large fatality rates from covid. What can we justly conclude from this info about vaccines? Nothing. What can we stupidly conclude from this info?
1. That states with large numbers of people need to increase masking, social distancing, and vaccine mandates in order to immunize the larger number of people in that state.
2. That states with large populations have too many people refusing to get vaccinated.
3. That people who refuse to wear masks are killing their neighbors just as if they were gunning them down in cold blood.
And hundreds of other stupid assumptions.
The leftist lie: World governments need to seize control of the health industry and the population and force their citizens to bow to government demands, no matter how irrelevant, foolish, or wrong, in order to protect the world from dangers nobody but the government can solve.Sweden’s guidelines emphasize staying at home, testing, hand washing and social distancing. By April 2021, Sweden’s per-capita case counts and death rates were many times higher than any of its Nordic neighbors, all of which imposed lockdowns, travel bans and limited gatherings early on.
Overall, Sweden’s COVID-19 death rate of 142.5 per 100,000 population is well above neighbors Denmark (43.89), Finland (17.84), Norway (15.03) and Iceland (8.3), according to Johns Hopkins University.
PolitiFact - Sweden’s low COVID-19 death tally in July ignores other markers of pandemic’s toll
From the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, Sweden made itself a compelling case study, forgoing lockdowns and mandates,www.politifact.com
Nobody can prove they are immune from covid because they got the shot.
If a mere 10,000 out of a hundred million die because of the shot I will refuse to get the shot because of those atrocious odds. The covid shot does not prevent covid infections in everyone and I know I am just the one likely to die from covid if I take the shot under those odds. I beg my fellow Americans to leave me alone. If I want to die from refusing the shot then stop trying to make me get the shot. If you are afraid you will catch covid from me then get the shot yourself if you think that will protect you from covid. You don't need me to get the shot to protect yourself from covid.
You don't seem to understand what vaccine passports are all about. Do you think the passports will be voluntary and never enforced anywhere?
It is not surprising to me that the government and big pharmaceutical companies push a rosy narrative about questionable vaccines. There are billions of dollars at stake here and the crooked will lie if that is what it takes to get more of it for themselves.
Here is info about government and health industry compromises:
ID Week 2012 is, of course, sponsored by the highly politicized Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) which is fraught with a dark past of conflicts of interests. Joining in is the Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America, which is federally funded and in bed with its admitted “partner”, the CDC. Next, comes the HIV Medicine Association, which nests neatly under the protective wing of the IDSA. Finally up, the Pediatric Infectious Diseases Society, which, by its own admission, is funded in part by Big Pharma interests. Can we trust these guys to be objective? When donkeys fly…
If all the vaccine did was to provide some level of protection against getting the covid virus then there should not be any objection to getting the vaccine. But there are serious side effects and problems with the effectiveness of the vaccines that cause intelligent and informed people to want to go slower with the approval process.
They are not sure whether the cases were reinfections or were flareups of the original infections with lingering symptoms.
I agree that the propagated narrative is that the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks. I am not buying that. If only a small percentage of people get sick or die from the vaccine itself then I would rather take my chances with covid instead. The overwhelming majority of covid patients recover. None of those who die from a bad reaction to the vaccine will ever recover.