Far Better To Build Immune System than Count on Vaccines

[chair]

Pfizer must be the one Bill Gates and Fauci have financial interests in.

Believe whatever foolishness you like. The fact is that the Pfizer vaccine works quite well. Safe and effective.

 

[marke]

The risk remains tiny. Just that for the young, the risk of covid complications is also very small. And it depends on what you mean by "young people".

I gather that you agree that for the not-so young- the risk from the vaccine is far outweighed by its benefit.

For thousands who have gotten seriously ill or even died from the covid shot the risk turned out to be far greater than government vaccine promoters made it out to be.

 

[marke]

August of what year?

You will have to read your own article to find out.

 

[Clete]

How few must the number of bad reactions to the covid shot be before the government will be justified in forcing Americans to get the shot against their will? If Americans can be immunized from covid by taking the shot then why are they so hell-bent on forcing others to get the shot if refusing the shot harms only themselves? Don't take away an individual's right to make decisions concerning his own body. Just encourage everyone else to get the shot and everyone will be happy.

The federal government does not have the authority to force anyone who isn't in the military to get these shots against their will, marke! What are you even talking about? There hasn't been a single civilian human being in the whole of the western world that has been forced to take these shots and it would, at the very least, take an act of Congress to even start the process down that road and there is exactly zero chance that it could even get that far! Sure, the left might want to force you but they can't and they won't, at least not by force of law. Your employer might try to force you but even then it isn't against your will and it doesn't have the force of law behind it.

You're scared of a boogy-man that doesn't exist. The government isn't forcing anyone to get these shots and the shots are not dangerous in the first place.

 

[Clete]

If the pharmaceutical companies can prove their shots do not harm or kill anyone then why are they not offering the proof?

There is no one who has claimed that "their shots do not harm or kill anyone".

You might as well ask, "If the automobile companies can prove their cars do not harm or kill anyone then why are they not offering the proof?"

This is called "moving the goalpost" and its a logical fallacy for good reason. There is no need for them to prove such a thing because no one has denied that there are some few people who have a bad reaction to the shot. What they have proven is that the shots work, that they are safe in virutally every case and that they make man, woman and child in the society safer from the COVID virus. whether they've actually taken the shot themselves or not.

Clete

 

[marke]

The federal government does not have the authority to force anyone who isn't in the military to get these shots against their will, marke! What are you even talking about? There hasn't been a single civilian human being in the whole of the western world that has been forced to take these shots and it would, at the very least, take an act of Congress to even start the process down that road and there is exactly zero chance that it could even get that far! Sure, the left might want to force you but they can't and they won't, at least not by force of law. Your employer might try to force you but even then it isn't against your will and it doesn't have the force of law behind it.

You're scared of a boogy-man that doesn't exist. The government isn't forcing anyone to get these shots and the shots are not dangerous in the first place.

The mayor of NYC has declared that nobody in his city will be allowed to do business in his city unless they are vaccinated. The mayor of NYC is an idiot. So how does that stupid edict not represent to people like you some sort of governmental force?

 

[marke]

There is no one who has claimed that "their shots do not harm or kill anyone".

You might as well ask, "If the automobile companies can prove their cars do not harm or kill anyone then why are they not offering the proof?"

This is called "moving the goalpost" and its a logical fallacy for good reason. There is no need for them to prove such a thing because no one has denied that there are some few people who have a bad reaction to the shot. What they have proven is that the shots work, that they are safe in virutally every case and that they make man, woman and child in the society safer from the COVID virus. whether they've actually taken the shot themselves or not.

Clete

If an employer, or a school, or a government agency, or anyone else forces people to get the covid shot will they be liable for damages if those people get sick or die because of the shot?

 

[way 2 go]

Two things have happened:
1. The vaccine's effectiveness has dropped over time. This is being countered by means of a third "booster" vaccination.

shot every 6 months , no thanks

2. The Delta variant spreads much faster than earlier variants

the delta scariant is less deadly too

As I have posted in the past, the plain fact is that you are much less likely to get seriously ill if you are vaccinated. By a factor of about 15. See below.

There are two huge advantages to getting vaccinated rather than waiting for natural immunity by getting infected:
1. You are much less likely to get seriously ill or die.

No
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2. You won't infect others while developing your immunity.

No , and you having to wear a mask as a vaxed person proves it

 

[way 2 go]

There is a danger that not only does the vaccine lose its effectiveness over time, but the fact that it alters the way the human body fights disease we may find that additional boosters may become necessary for life.

an other question is
if you get the wuflu while vaxed why would you need another shot ?

covid vaxport isn't about the virus or previous infection would be taken into account
and it's not

 

[way 2 go]

Ah the wonders of the internet. Confirmation bias at work!

ah confession through projection

 

[way 2 go]

Believe whatever foolishness you like. The fact is that the Pfizer vaccine works quite well. Safe and effective.

9868 dead 336,609 seriously injured would disagree with you.

name another vaccine (not a wuflu vax) this bad of a track record ?

 

[chair]

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No , and you having to wear a mask as a vaxed person proves it

Once again, you are posting a bad translation as a proof. Doing this once is an understandable. If you keep doing it, it's plain lie.

 

[Clete]

The mayor of NYC has declared that nobody in his city will be allowed to do business in his city unless they are vaccinated. The mayor of NYC is an idiot. So how does that stupid edict not represent to people like you some sort of governmental force?

He has made no such declaration. You are quite delusional.

 

[Clete]

If an employer, or a school, or a government agency, or anyone else forces people to get the covid shot will they be liable for damages if those people get sick or die because of the shot?

Do you just say things at random? This has nothing to do with a word I said in the post that this was supposedly in response to!

Why don't you ever respond to the arguments made against your position?

 

[marke]

He has made no such declaration. You are quite delusional.

You should admit he has made vaccinations a requirement for doing business in NYC.

 

[marke]

Do you just say things at random? This has nothing to do with a word I said in the post that this was supposedly in response to!

Why don't you ever respond to the arguments made against your position?

If you cannot make the connection then just skip it. There is no need to get bent out of shape.

 

[marke]

The vaccines have undoubtedly saved tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of lives worldwide. No amount of "building your immune system" could possibly achieve such a thing!

The function of your immune system has far more to do with your genetics than it has to do with anything you have any control over. That isn't to say that you can't help things along by eating right, exercising and getting proper sleep but, in all but the rarest of cases, the effects we can have on automatic biological functions in our body like the immune system is rather marginal. Even factors such as body weight and how well one's body handles sugar has at least as much to do with your genetics than it has to do with the choices you make in your daily life.

And even if none of that were true - it is true but even if we reject or ignore it totally - even with the massive lifestyle changes - that almost no one is going to make - the effects of those changes would take months and months to manifest and even then it wouldn't make even 1% of the difference that an effective and widely utilized vaccine makes almost immediately.

In short, the sentence "Far Better To BUILD Your Immune System Rather than Count on Vaccines to Protect You!" is not only ignorant but is dangerously stupid.

Clete

There is no way to prove the vaccines are what are keeping people from getting covid. Tens of millions of Americans did not get covid before the vaccines came out and tens of millions of Americans are still not getting covid whether the have been vaccinated or not.

 

[way 2 go]

There is no way to prove the vaccines are what are keeping people from getting covid. Tens of millions of Americans did not get covid before the vaccines came out and tens of millions of Americans are still not getting covid whether the have been vaccinated or not.

clearly vax doesn't prevent wuflu
delta scariant is less lethal so places not trusting the vax to be the end o this, their deaths are down too .

 

[way 2 go]

Once again, you are posting a bad translation as a proof. Doing this once is an understandable. If you keep doing it, it's plain lie.

you've said that twice with no evidence




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vaxed with wuflu

 

[way 2 go]

link

not just Israel ,the vax isn't working in
England


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cmpalmer75 Sep 3 The latest Public Health England technical report dropped today... SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England/Technical briefing 22/September 3, 2021 Public Health England reports that Delta is the dominant variant in the UK. This variant accounted for 99% of sequenced and 98% genotyped cases from July 25 through July 31, 2021 in England (PHE technical briefing 20/August 8 ). PHE has not updated this data since. PHE last reported the Delta variant Case Fatality Rate (CFR) of ~0.2% - 0.3% in early July (PHE technical briefing 18/July 9). PHE has not updated the CFR since. PCR cycle threshold (Ct) values from routinely undertaken tests in England show that Ct values (and by inference viral load) are similar between individuals who are unvaccinated and vaccinated. Delta in England as of 8/29/2021... Unvaxxed: 219,716 cases/536 deaths/0.2440% Unvaxxed <50: 212,989 cases/99 deaths/0.0465% Unvaxxed 50+: 6,724 cases/437 deaths/6.499% Fully Vaxxed: 113,823 cases/1,091 deaths/0.9585% Fully Vaxxed <50: 62,403 cases/37 deaths/0.0593% Fully Vaxxed 50+: 51,420 cases/1,054 deaths/2.450% 50,119 Unlinked Infections 108,870 Partially Vaxxed Infections 113,823 Fully Vaxxed Infections 219,716 Unvaxxed Infections Partially/Fully Vaxxed infections have surpassed Unvaxxed infections. 1.9 times more infections in Unvaxxed versus Fully Vaxxed. (2.5 times more infections in Unvaxxed versus Fully Vaxxed as of August 15) (3.2 times more infections in Unvaxxed versus Fully Vaxxed as of August 8) ~60.7% of deaths were in fully vaxxed. ~64.1% of deaths were in fully vaxxed 50+. ~68.6% of deaths were in fully/partially vaxxed. 555 more deaths of fully vaxxed than unvaxxed. 617 more deaths of fully vaxxed than unvaxxed in 50+ cohort. 697 more deaths of fully/partially vaxxed than unvaxxed. 745 more deaths of fully/partially vaxxed than unvaxxed in 50+ cohort. We don’t have the prior health status of those who died in any of the cohorts. We don’t know the breakdown of “vaccines” taken by the vaxxed. https://assets.publishing.service.g...le/1014926/Technical_Briefing_22_21_09_02.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.g...t_data/file/1012401/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.g...t_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.g...ants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_18.pdf