Ephesians 1:4, 5, In the Light of the Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ

Robert Pate

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Explained it already in my threads, you refuse to read them, that is your neglect!


You can't explain it because it refutes your phony religion.

God chose all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world, Ephesians 1:4.

Jesus is God's new Adam and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

Jesus is the first born of every creature, Colossians 1:15.
 

beloved57

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You can't explain it because it refutes your phony religion.

God chose all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world, Ephesians 1:4.

Jesus is God's new Adam and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

Jesus is the first born of every creature, Colossians 1:15.

You have had plenty of opportunity to read my explanation, you neglect it!
 

heir

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You have the audacity to challenge God's Predestination of individuals to Salvation when the Doctrine is right in the scripture Eph 1:4-6

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

The Adoption of Childen is Salvation !
The context of the "us" is an all inclusive of those in the Body of Christ: the "we", "who first trusted in Christ" and the "ye" who "also trusted".

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


It is a "but now" truth that "those who were afar off", and "them that were nigh" are "both" reconciled "unto God in one body by the cross"!


Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Ephesians 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Ephesians 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.



It has everything to do with the twain made one new man and not Calvinism.
 

beloved57

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The context of the "us" is an all inclusive of those in the Body of Christ: the "we", "who first trusted in Christ" and the "ye" who "also trusted".

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


It is a "but now" truth that "those who were afar off", and "them that were nigh" are "both" reconciled "unto God in one body by the cross"!


Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Ephesians 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Ephesians 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.



It has everything to do with the twain made one new man and not Calvinism.

You don't even believe the Gospel!
 

Robert Pate

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The context of the "us" is an all inclusive of those in the Body of Christ: the "we", "who first trusted in Christ" and the "ye" who "also trusted".

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


It is a "but now" truth that "those who were afar off", and "them that were nigh" are "both" reconciled "unto God in one body by the cross"!


Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Ephesians 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Ephesians 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.



It has everything to do with the twain made one new man and not Calvinism.

Right heir.

God does nothing out side of his Son Jesus Christ.

"And he is before ALL THINGS, and by him ALL THINGS consist" Colossians 1:17.
 

jamie

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Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

However, some have attempted to restore that wall of separation by claiming that some of the NT is just for Hebrews (as if we are not Hebrews).
 

beloved57

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Right heir.

God does nothing out side of his Son Jesus Christ.

"And he is before ALL THINGS, and by him ALL THINGS consist" Colossians 1:17.

You don't believe in Jesus Christ of the scripture ! You teach that millions upon millions for whom He died shall wind up in Hell for their sins in unbelief !
 

Robert Pate

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However, some have attempted to restore that wall of separation by claiming that some of the NT is just for Hebrews (as if we are not Hebrews).


Jesus is neither Jew or Gentile.

He is the international savior. As the new Adam he gave himself for the sins of whole world, 1 John 2:2.
 

lifeisgood

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What is predestined/elected is the Plan of Salvation — Jesus Christ and what He did at the Cross of Calvary.

When a person accepts God's predestined/elected Plan of Salvation (Jesus Christ and what He did at the Cross of Calvary), then he/she is baptized by the Holy Spirit into the predestined/elected Plan of Salvation and he/she becomes predestined/elected IN HIM.

The Plan of Salvation is predestined/elected — NOT the person.

The person has to accept the predestined/elected Plan of Salvation of God so that God can place him/her IN HIM.
 

Robert Pate

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What is predestined/elected is the Plan of Salvation — Jesus Christ and what He did at the Cross of Calvary.

When a person accepts God's predestined/elected Plan of Salvation (Jesus Christ and what He did at the Cross of Calvary), then he/she is baptized by the Holy Spirit into the predestined/elected Plan of Salvation and he/she becomes predestined/elected IN HIM.

The Plan of Salvation is predestined/elected — NOT the person.

The person has to accept the predestined/elected Plan of Salvation of God so that God can place him/her IN HIM.

Yes and what a wonderful plan of salvation that it is.

"God was "In Christ" reconciling the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:19.

So that now... "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

God's plan of salvation is so simple that many miss it.
 

beloved57

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Yes and what a wonderful plan of salvation that it is.

"God was "In Christ" reconciling the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:19.

So that now... "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

God's plan of salvation is so simple that many miss it.

You don't believe or understand them scriptures!
 

jamie

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Jesus is neither Jew or Gentile.

He is the international savior. As the new Adam he gave himself for the sins of whole world, 1 John 2:2.

Are those from the tribe of Judah referred to in scripture as Jews or are they referred to as Gentiles.

For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. (Hebrews 7:14 NKJV)​

And Jesus was not the new Adam. We are children of our Father, not the Son.

The first Adam imparted human nature to his descendants and Jesus' father imparts his Spirit to his descendants just like he did to Jesus who is our brother.

However, Jesus is the last Adam, the last one to impart eternal life to others for us to nurture and train.

I'm glad you are better, Robert. I missed you.
 
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