Ephesians 1:4, 5, In the Light of the Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ

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Robert Pate

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beloved57 said:
You continue to speak evil of the Gospel of Gods Grace in Christ!
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What is grace?

Here is Grace, "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.
 
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Robert Pate said:
What is grace?

Here is Grace, "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.
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Christ has believed for them He lived and died for, He obeyed the Law for them so He believed for them! Could He have obeyed the Law for them without Faith in God?
 
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beloved57 said:
Christ has believed for them He lived and died for, He obeyed the Law for them so He believed for them! Could He have obeyed the Law for them without Faith in God?
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You have 0 scripture that says that Jesus believes for anyone.

You fabricate these phony doctrines to try and prove that you are right.
 
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You have 0 scripture that says that Jesus believes for anyone.

You fabricate these phony doctrines to try and prove that you are right.
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You don't believe that Christ obeyed the Law of God for them He lived and died for? He did, that is why it reads by the obedience of one many shall be made righteous Rom 5:19 ! Adam disobeyed the law for them, Christ obeyed the Law for them! That's Gospel Truth!
 
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You don't believe that Christ obeyed the Law of God for them He lived and died for? He did, that is why it reads by the obedience of one many shall be made righteous Rom 5:19 ! Adam disobeyed the law for them, Christ obeyed the Law for them! That's Gospel Truth!
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Christ is NOT going to believe for you.

The Gospel calls for a responce. No responce is a responce.
 
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beloved57 said:
You saying that Christ did not obey the Law for them He lived and died for?
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You are switching subjects like the good heretic that you are.

Jesus believes for no one.

If you want to be saved this is what you need to do...

"Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
 
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You are switching subjects like the good heretic that you are.

Jesus believes for no one.

If you want to be saved this is what you need to do...

"Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
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Did Christ obey the Law for them He lived and died for? Yes or No? If Yes did He do it in Faith or unbelief to God?
 
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beloved57 said:
Did Christ obey the Law for them He lived and died for? Yes or No? If Yes did He do it in Faith or unbelief to God?
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You need to do one of two things.

1. Show us the scripture that says Christ believes for us.

2. If you can't come up with scripture, then shut up.
 
beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
You are going to get yourself banned by asking the same stupid question over and over.
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You have not answered my stupid question! God is in control when I get banned, that doesn't scare me! Now did Christ obey the Law for them He lived and died for as a faithless Man?
 
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beloved57 said:
You have not answered my stupid question! God is in control when I get banned, that doesn't scare me! Now did Christ obey the Law for them He lived and died for as a faithless Man?
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God does NOTHING outside of Jesus Christ.

If you do not come to Christ as a repentant sinner and call on him to save you, you will never see heaven, Romans 10:13.
 
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Ephesians 1:4, 5. "According as he has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will."

Calvinst frequently quote this scripture to try and prove predestination, but what does it really mean according to the Gospel?

"According as he has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world".

Calvinist teach that God chooses "Some certain persons" to be saved from the foundation of the world. Is that what this scripture is saying" No, far from it.

The only one that was chosen before the foundation of the world was Jesus Christ. "Who verily was fordained before the foundation of the world" 1 Peter 1:20. Peter was talking about Jesus. God knew that Adam and his descendants would sin. He also knew that they would need a savior. God looked into the future because he knew that Jesus would be... "The Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world" Revelation 13:8.

Jesus Christ is God's new Adam and our new humanity. God saw all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:17, this is why the scripture says, "That we should be holy and without blame before him in love" The only way that you can be holy and without blame is to be "In Christ". God saw us "In Christ" before the foundation of the world. NO ONE HAS BEEN PREDESTINATED, that is false doctrine.

We (the whole world) was predestinated to be "In Christ" before the foundation of the world. Jesus reconciled the whole world to God by his doing and his dying, 2 Corinthians 5:19, not "Some certain persons". God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20. This is why Paul said, "For you are dead and your life is hid with God in Christ" Colossians 3:3. As far as God is concerned sin, death and the devil have been destroyed, Colossians 2:15. God is at peace with the world because of Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20.

This does not mean that everyone is saved. What it means is that salvation has been provided for all by the doing and the dying of Jesus so that now, "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
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What foolish contradictions people get into when they reject plain scripture.
 
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Totton Linnet said:
What foolish contradictions people get into when they reject plain scripture.
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The scripture is not plain when it comes to Calvinism.

There is no scripture that says God has predestinated anyone to heaven or to hell.

The Bible plainly teaches the Jesus is the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14, John 12:47.

If Jesus has provided salvation for ALL MEN, Hebrews 2:9 and that "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Why would anyone want to believe any different?
 
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The scripture is not plain when it comes to Calvinism.

There is no scripture that says God has predestinated anyone to heaven or to hell.

The Bible plainly teaches the Jesus is the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14, John 12:47.

If Jesus has provided salvation for ALL MEN, Hebrews 2:9 and that "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Why would anyone want to believe any different?
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You flat out deny Ephesians 1:3-6 and Rom 8:29 predestination to heaven is right there, it is Gospel of Gods Grace Truth which you don't believe!
 
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