Arthur Brain
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Anything in regards to eternal torment, from any denominational perspective. It's sick from any view.
Does Calvinism Make God Unjust?
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Anything in regards to eternal torment, from any denominational perspective. It's sick from any view.
Nang
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I beg your pardon. I did take what I have read of your views, as being Universalism, but I am also a believer in the universal reconciliation of all things accomplished by Jesus Christ.
My bad . . and perhaps we should both make effort to clarify the differences between the terms of belief!
Arthur Brain
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Your belief system is hardly loving Nang. According to you I could have two nieces that are destined for "hell" if they aren't part of the "chosen", so you really don't get to use the terms 'selfish' etc with any validity frankly.
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Christianity isn't liberal enough for atheists. Hell is a no-no for them because they think God should be some genie in the sky giving anyone what they want.
Nang
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Since I first met you online, I have prayed God's grace be shown your nieces.
Do you?
Do you witness to them about the Incarnation, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ?
For it is through the means of proclaiming this Gospel that they will be drawn to Christ, God willing.
Do you exhibit faith in Him, to so witness to them His Gospel?
popsthebuilder
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And it is for us to attempt to iron out these wrinkles in one's perceptions with strong logic and common sense. It can be a task, and should be, but can be done. How are we getting on the topic of atheism again?
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Arthur Brain
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Well, considering I'm not an atheist then there's your first fail. Anyone with the slightest ounce of compassion would balk at the notion of torture in itself let alone eternal torment for others so there's your second.
Given that you've already proved yourself to be a misogynist extraordinaire then your fails have already hit the roof and gone through it...
Arthur Brain
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No, I don't. It wouldn't make a shred of difference one way or the other anyway would it? If they're part of the 'elite' then it's already done regardless right?
Nang
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You harbor the view of a skeptic.
however, I am an optimistic believer and hope to be a participant/instrument according to God's means (the preaching of the good news about Jesus Christ saving souls) by so witnessing to His saving grace.
I cannot directly talk with your nieces, but I can care about them and pray for their souls. And I do.
And I pray that God will convert your heart, so maybe some day they might hear the Gospel message directly from you!
Arthur Brain
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It wouldn't matter if you could talk directly with them or not, or anybody else's loved ones either Nang. By your belief everyone has already been 'allocated' their place no matter what. If they're the 'reprobate' then you could preach and pray all you like, they'll still be 'lost' right?
I may not be anything approaching a 'saint' Nang but I'd have to sacrifice all manner of compassion and empathy to embrace your belief system, and I'd sooner not do that.
beloved57
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Promoting salvation by works, by what a person does!
So, you believe that the Bible is promoting works for salvation?
You're an excellent "Baloney Salesman." I mean that in the kindest way possible. Calvinism is Baloney. Most logical people would have to agree.
Nang and AMR have that title, for certain.
Their beliefs are askew.
I'm happy to see you have been silenced along with your false doctrines. You trust in "Another gospel." I believe you're a detriment to the truth of the Gospel and a horrendous bad influence. I'm happy you were banned.
Arminiansm describes a god that is ANTI-biblical (it is a lie and not the truth). It presents a god that loves all without exception but sends most to hell in the end, a christ that died for all without exception and leaving most in hell (FAIL), and a god who wants to and desperately TRIES to save all without exception and fails with most. This is not the truth that sets free and not the gospel that is the power of God unto salvation. It is blasphemous to the holy character of God and His glory. It is a satanic lie and is a perversion of, both, the Person and work of Christ the Lord.
Another "Baloney Salesman."
You're religiously invested in a false gospel and a myriad of false doctrine. Congratulations, you hit the jackpot!
Other than the "Grace Gospel," there is NO other Gospel around today that can guarantee eternal life and the receiving of the Righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ, as well. ALL other false gospels lead to "The Lake of Fire." Those who reject God's free gift of salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ will someday stand before God the Father and be judged by their WORKS. Subsequently, they will be cast into "The Lake of Fire." That will also be the same place where Satan and his ilk will spend eternity.
Reject the Grace Gospel and be incarcerated in eternal damnation and agony. The anguish will NEVER end. When you close your eyes in death, you will open them in a holding place called Hades until the Judgement. It's a place of torment and fire. These two places are spoken of in the Bible. You need not suffer this end. You MUST hear the Gospel and place ALL your faith in Christ as your Savior. Without God's Grace, you will suffer beyond human imagination. The anguish will linger on forever. There is no way out once you leave this world without Christ as your Savior. It scares me just thinking about it, it always has since I was 12 years old and not saved at the time.
Reject the Grace Gospel and be incarcerated in eternal damnation and agony. The anguish will NEVER end. When you close your eyes in death, you will open them in a holding place called Hades until the Judgement. It's a place of torment and fire. These two places are spoken of in the Bible. You need not suffer this end. You MUST hear the Gospel and place ALL your faith in Christ as your Savior. Without God's Grace, you will suffer beyond human imagination. The anguish will linger on forever. There is no way out once you leave this world without Christ as your Savior. It scares me just thinking about it, it always has since I was 12 years old and not saved at the time.
Good morning to all.