Do you have to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian?
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The word Trinity may not be but the doctrine is. See 1 John 5:7-8
IMJerusha
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That is an incorrect statement. The Son is not the Father. The Headship is clearly defined.
You are correct. God is three distinct personalities. 1 John 5:7-8
IMJerusha
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What's your point, Grosnick, that people must agree with all of the doctrines you agree with or they're not Christian? That's the same stance Constantine took and you know where that led.
IMJerusha
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I definitely see evidence of it in these verses but some are taking Trinitarianism to a whole new level and these verses don't support that level.
What level are you speaking of?
IMJerusha
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That Yeshua is the Father in the flesh. That the Son is the Father. I believe that to be an aberration.
That is false and has nothing to do with trinitarian doctrine. It is what the heretic God's Truth believes.
Zeke
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Yep, people forget that when Paul is accused of being the new "ringleader" of the sect of the Nazar-ESSENES he does not deny it but essentially affirms it, (especially if one knows who exactly Paul really is). Paul warns all of his readers not to walk according to the flesh and yet it seems that most all of those claiming the most loudly to be followers of Paul and "his gospel" do indeed walk according to the flesh in all of their understanding, (and if you try to tell them any differently you must be a "Gnostic heretic"). As soon as one steps back into the realm of the flesh in his or her understanding the person may as well be as dead as the doctrine they are spouting because the grammati of the physical nature kills. :crackup:
Hebrews 12:18-23
18. For you are not come unto a mount that might be touched, [Sinai] and that burned with fire, and unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest:
19. and the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard entreated that no word more should be spoken unto them:
20. for they could not endure that which was enjoined, If even a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned:
21. and so fearful was the appearance, that Moshe said, I exceedingly fear and quake:
22. but you are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the Living Elohim, the heavenly Yerushalaim, and to innumerable hosts of angels:
23. to the general assembly and congregation of firstborn sons having been written-enrolled in the heavens, and to Elohim the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect:
Pure Essene theology, (whether it is Paul or not) . . .
Yea the revelation happens within, which is where Saul became Paul and found out that Saul who was great in the flesh could do nothing to comprehend the spirit through flesh, because it is Divine revelations that awakens that new born which is the message of Galatians, the natural minds feeds on the flesh of scripture, so it focuses on earthly observable kingdoms instead of the inward meanings of the scripture hid in allegory and symbols, which is where the inside of the cup gets cleaned kingdom Luke 17:20-21.
oatmeal
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Is that the image of God? Three distinct personalities?
Wasn't man created in the image of God?
Do you have three distinct personalities?
1 John 5:7 Modern English Version (MEV)
7 There are three who testify in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and the three are one.
and yet it is exactly what Isaiah prophesied.
Is 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
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Eight hundred posts and counting, yet the answer remains the same. To deny the triune Godhead is to deny claims to being "Christian".
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1678070#post1678070
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http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1678070#post1678070
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genuineoriginal
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Do you still deny these verses?
John 6:29 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. |
John 20:31 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. |
Cruciform
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Amen!
Why should a Christian be forced to believe in a theological concept developed long after Jesus died?
My feeling is that since the faith has become a "belief-based" religion, today's new Christian only has to stand up and profess assent to a list of ancient dogmatic phrases such as "Trinity," "Born of a virgin," "Died for our sins," etc.
To me the real Christians are those who have a personal relationship with Jesus and try to follow his ethical teachings.
This would mean the faith has to become an "action-based" faith it if is to survive.
My feeling is that since the faith has become a "belief-based" religion, today's new Christian only has to stand up and profess assent to a list of ancient dogmatic phrases such as "Trinity," "Born of a virgin," "Died for our sins," etc.
To me the real Christians are those who have a personal relationship with Jesus and try to follow his ethical teachings.
This would mean the faith has to become an "action-based" faith it if is to survive.
I think a Christian is someone who sees the character and passion of God in one Jesus of Nazareth.
Terms like Trinity or "triune Godhead" are faith statements. They are theology that was developed by theologians long after Jesus died.