Judging someone for judging is being a hypocrite, and is wrong.
Judging someone for being a hypocrite is not wrong, it's judging rightly.
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Judging someone for judging is being a hypocrite, and is wrong.
Judging someone for being a hypocrite is not wrong, it's judging rightly.
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I could dismember your "Adoptionist" view with 20 yes or no questions. I could do it with 2 parallel scriptures. (Isaiah 9:6 + Isaiah 46:9). Throw (Deuteronomy 32:39 and Deuteronomy 6:4) in there and you are theologically SLAIN!
Is it TRUTH you seek? Is it TRUTH that you uphold? According to scripture... you aren't upholding THE TRUTH.
What Gives Daqq?
In fact... the Old Testament seems to refute you so intensely... I'm wondering.
How can you be soooo wrong and not see it?
I'm ready to lock swords with you over this. No more dancing. You know the drill. Strike the shepherd and the sheep are scattered. On that note... who is the good shepherd and why is He called Lord... as in YHWH? (Psalm 23 Psalm 23:1 Interlinear (Lord/YHWH
John 10:11, 14 Hmmmm???
Wait??? Did He call Himself "Good"?
Mark 10:18 ?
And... on that note... You say Adoptionist isn't Arian...
Hey @daqq ...
(Leaning in and whispering... You're being "Responded" to.)
It feels good to run with old EE when He's looting the false temples and burning them down... Until... it's yours!
So... about that quote... ARIAN!!!!
What are you insinuating? Is Jesus a "Test Tube Baby"?
Where did He come from?
Who was His Daddy?
Who was His Mommy?
Seriously @daqq ?
I'm not going to let up on you! This is more "Theological Bull" than Calvinism!
Yup!
You have options...
(1) Refuse to answer
Result? ... I never let you live it down
(2) Throw up some scripture twisting
Result? ... You will be unhappy
(3) You insult me or whine
Result? ... I insult you back or never let you live whining down
(4) You man up and cross swords to the carnal doctrinal DEATH
Result? ... We seriously cross swords now!
What's it going to be?
Seriously... What do these titles mean?
Pele-Yo'etz
El Gibbor
Avi-'Ad
Sar-Shalom
Hint... (Isaiah 9:6)
Read every word of this @daqq ... before you respond... I'm not joking... this is nuclear!!!
See you tomorrow, @daqq... Stack up all your quotes...
An Arian-optionist straw man view is about to...
How many times have you called me by mention of my name? and I have responded, and most of those times it was only to find you crying wolf again, and denying what I have already told you; even about myself and what I believe from the scripture. And yet when I called with the words of Messiah, and the Word of Elohim; you would not come, neither would you hear, but closed your ears and your eyes, and you deny the Testimony of Yeshua and Messiah the Son of Elohim. Hypocrites and liars are you with your fellow inmates, locked in the prison of your own making, O Herodians. :chuckle:
jsanford108
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Firstly, the judging comment was only a half truth, meant to rile. (Also, my reference was to Matthew 7, while utilizing the common misconception, my point still maintains integrity, since the poster had wrongly judged) Secondly, the point of my original statement was to highlight his error; being that no verse says "faith alone," outside of James.
Lastly, judging someone for being a hypocrite could still be wrong. Because no one knows the state of another's soul. (1 Cor 2) It is shaky ground without concrete evidence, which you nor he have based on the current discussion.
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For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, *not of works, lest anyone should boast. - Ephesians 2:8-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians2:8-9&version=NKJV
If someone does something they say is wrong, they're a hypocrite, simple as that. It has nothing (or at least, very little) to do with what's in a person's heart.
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God's Truth
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I don't think I knew what your beliefs were until now.
You say the Holy Spirit is neither male or female, is that what you say?
Are you saying Jesus did not become the Son of God until the Holy Spirit descended on him?
A bit like Keypurr.... Slightly different though...
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Jerry Shugart
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So when the man Yeshua spoke it was the Son of Man or the Son of Elohim that was speaking through Him?
In other words, when the man Yeshua said the He is the Son of God was it the one you say is the actual Son of God speaking through Him?
Yes, and Testimony is SPIRIT.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Judge not, lest you be judged......
Judge not, lest you be judged......
Hi JR,
My issue on this point, something TOL 'truthsmakers' pride themselves on, in 'name calling' or 'judging rightly', but in a negative condescending manner, is that it becomes a matter IF they have true discernment without any distortion, presupposition or presumptions, BEFORE They start calling another names or judging them. This is a somewhat dangerous practice, because anyone who calls his brother 'fool' (raca) is in danger of judgment! - so we need to be careful before we judge others, for even Jesus warns us to NOT judge, lest we be judged by the same standard - THIS is important to cognize,...so to approach such endeavors with care. I despise self-appointed religionists who are full of venom themselves, and use 'religion' to beat up, judge or raise themselves above people, - such a practice was chided by Jesus, as seen in the behavior of the scribes and Pharisees.
I've seen it here among TOL elites and favorites and their poor behavior is 'protected' by the staff here. - this comes with the territory of course of an openly biased forum, so this is not a complaint, as much as an observation.
I've held my own for years here nonetheless, but it is unfortunate when you sense the spirit of one's judgment, attack or response, which is openly condenscending, and these judgers ADMIT it is,...but still feel justified for their demeaning, denigrating words. There is a lost scripture that says one of the worst sins is to GRIEVE the spirit of your brother. If one does this, and they inflict the harm, it is most vital to restore the one hurt, via confession, forgiveness and other means, lest one's heart become all the more depraved and continue to treat others in such a devaluing way. AND we ought to note that HOW we treat one another is perhaps the MAIN thing that we will be judged by, and either be rewarded or punished thereby, since HOW we treat others is HOW we treat 'God', - this is why love is the fulfilling of the law, and 'sin' is but anything that falls short or transgresses the law of love, to any degree.
Judge not, lest you be judged......
Hi JR,
My issue on this point, something TOL 'truthsmakers' pride themselves on, in 'name calling' or 'judging rightly', but in a negative condescending manner, is that it becomes a matter IF they have true discernment without any distortion, presupposition or presumptions, BEFORE They start calling another names or judging them. This is a somewhat dangerous practice, because anyone who calls his brother 'fool' (raca) is in danger of judgment! - so we need to be careful before we judge others, for even Jesus warns us to NOT judge, lest we be judged by the same standard - THIS is important to cognize,...so to approach such endeavors with care. I despise self-appointed religionists who are full of venom themselves, and use 'religion' to beat up, judge or raise themselves above people, - such a practice was chided by Jesus, as seen in the behavior of the scribes and Pharisees.
I've seen it here among TOL elites and favorites and their poor behavior is 'protected' by the staff here. - this comes with the territory of course of an openly biased forum, so this is not a complaint, as much as an observation.
I've held my own for years here nonetheless, but it is unfortunate when you sense the spirit of one's judgment, attack or response, which is openly condenscending, and these judgers ADMIT it is,...but still feel justified for their demeaning, denigrating words. There is a lost scripture that says one of the worst sins is to GRIEVE the spirit of your brother. If one does this, and they inflict the harm, it is most vital to restore the one hurt, via confession, forgiveness and other means, lest one's heart become all the more depraved and continue to treat others in such a devaluing way. AND we ought to note that HOW we treat one another is perhaps the MAIN thing that we will be judged by, and either be rewarded or punished thereby, since HOW we treat others is HOW we treat 'God', - this is why love is the fulfilling of the law, and 'sin' is but anything that falls short or transgresses the law of love, to any degree.
God's Truth
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I have no idea what you think you fixed.
Again, it is NOT judging to tell someone to stop judging.
It is not judging to tell someone to stop cussing at you.
It is not judging to tell someone to stop slandering you, etc.
Judging is telling someone they are going to go to hell.
And, it is only hypocritical if you are slandering others and you tell someone else to stop slandering.
I see you edited: the man Yeshua does not claim to be the Son of Elohim but a son of Elohim.
THE Son of Elohim dwells within him because THE Son of Elohim is the Logos-Word.
That is the same Spirit who raised the man Yeshua from the dead: the Word.
Jesus is perfect, pure, righteous Savior and above all, sinless. None of us are. So your claim is moot.
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God's Truth
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I agree.
God's Truth
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There is righteous judging and there is false judging.
It is not hypocritical to tell someone to stop judging.
God's Truth
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The works Paul was saying they do not save are the ceremonial works.
Paul would not ever rebuke anyone for obeying Jesus.
It is not judging to tell someone to stop judging.
Jerry Shugart
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Your views are a joke, especially when you deny that the words found in "bold" in the following passage did not happen when the Lord Jesus was raised from the dead, the same day when He was begotten of God:
"But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen for many days of them that came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are now his witnesses unto the people. And we bring you good tidings of the promise made unto the fathers, that God hath fulfilled the same unto our children, in that he raised up Jesus; as also it is written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he hath spoken on this wise, I will give you the holy and sure [blessings] of David. Because he saith also in another [psalm], Thou wilt not give Thy Holy One to see corruption. For David, after he had in his own generation served the counsel of God, fell asleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: but he whom God raised up saw no corruption" (Acts 13:30-37).
We can clearly see that that all of these verses are speaking of the Lord Jesus bing raised from the dead. But you say that despite the fact that the first two verses are speaking of His resurrection and the last four verses are speaking about the same thing you say that the verses in "bold" are in regard to something entirely different from His resurrection.
According to your convoulated idea the words "raised up Jesus" in these verses have nothing to do with His resurrection!
I hope that they treat you well in your padded cell!!!
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Jerry Shugart
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Yes, according to their silly ideas the man Yeshua has a split personality!