I will be explaining that this thread is under representation of [MENTION=6696]Lon[/MENTION] for two weeks, as I will be off of ToL for close to two weeks.
[MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION] , [MENTION=18157]marhig[/MENTION] , [MENTION=1746]freelight[/MENTION] ...
This is to the three of you... The word "Obedience" and it's deadly spiritual implications if misused passed TRUE "Repentance" (Circumcision of the HEART) and Belief (Ephesians 2:8f) ... is a spiritual SERPENT!
Direction and flow of this response...
(1) Obedience past True (John the Baptist Repentance) and (Faith in Jesus) "Kills"
(2) What's a Bond Servant and why are they better than slaves, more radical than Pharisees and TOTALLY FREE?
(3) (Works Addiction) You "show" me your faith and I'll "show" you my "works"
(4) Who are you to tell me "Not to OBEY past "Circumcision of the Heart" and "Faith"
(5) Boasting of a fashion and form that rips the mountains of works to shreds! (Pharisee Bashing and "mountain moving")
(1) Obedience past True (John the Baptist Repentance) and (Faith in Jesus) "Kills"
John the Baptist was a Locust Eating (Symbol of reversing crop destruction), Camel Fir Wearing (Camels symbolize WATER in the Desert), Zealot that Shouted "
Repent for the Kingdom is AT HAND"! He made it clear that this must be done to prepare the way for JESUS CHRIST (Messiah/Savior).
Those words hang in the Spiritual veil to this very day! If you think that Pharisees were biblical slouches and condemn-able sinners... By the Law... you are a FOOL! They were scriptural all stars! They even ate literal portions of scripture as a symbol of their devotion! They memorized the Torah at a very early age! They focused every second of every day on pleasing God in their flesh! They even wore commandments of God on their forehead that they had mastered in their flesh.
When John the Baptist said REPENT... He meant something totally different, because those "scriptural all-stars of OBEDIENCE in the flesh focus" were declared (Mt. 23:27). Dead! Void of God! Spiritual waist lands!
So... NO... OBEYING BETTER THAN THE PHARISEES AIN'T THE ANSWER!
(2) What's a Bond Servant and why are they better than slaves, more radical than Pharisees and TOTALLY FREE?
The Bible is full of SLAVERY! Yup! The real deal. When a person became a debtor to someone, beyond what they could afford to pay off...
they became that persons SLAVE! They were OWNED! They had to OBEY! If the owner wanted a woman for intercourse and she was HIS Debtor... She became what is known as a CONCUBINE (A Devoted to one man, Whore)! If a strapping young lad was SOLD into Slavery... he was worked to near death by the hardest tasks available! Yup!
Now... If a man was considered to have paid his debt in full, he had a choice. He could simply go about his way. Or, If he liked his master... He could declare that He is Free, but that He loved his master so much, he wanted to be a bond servant! A bond servant was treated like a child of the master. They didn't OBEY. They had a life of their own, but retained residence with the master and helped the master with whatever tasks they could to assist in the master's prosperity.
The freed slave would be taken to the doorway of the master and an AWL would be driven through the Slaves Ear. The blood of the servant would mark the doorway and a gold ring would be placed in the FREE MANS ear to show that he was indeed FREE! How do I know this? I'll explain in a bit.
The "woman", on the other hand, could only be freed from a life of being a concubine by being stoned, or declared a wife, until death of her or death of her "husband".
(3) (Works Addiction) You "show" me your faith and I'll "show" you my "works"
James 2:14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
If you think JESUS ain't a big deal... You missed John 5:39f ... Think about it! Jesus just told those theological aces called Pharisees that they didn't need one word of scripture... THEY NEEDED HIM! BOOOOOOOM!!!! Yup... After all... He's (John 6:51)... That's the food and WORKS that James is referring to! And... I'll probably launch an OP on this in the later future! I'm all about CRUSHING the OBEDIENCE FREAKS hopes! Like a Kid with a "magnifying glass", to throw "glorious light" over an "ANT HILL"! After all... I'm a Jesus Freak, not an Obedience Freak!
And here's the big reveal... Not only is the Prodigal SON a good parable to squelch CARNAL JUDGMENT... and a picture of a SLAVE to GOD that wanted to humbly become a BOND SERVANT, but inherited ALL that HIS FATHER HAS... (works crowd... we are the PIGS He ate with... LOL and imagine that) BUT... It's most specifically about JESUS! And... Nope... He isn't created, and nope... He isn't apart from God, by any other division than TIME, Dimension, and Marriage to Humanity! He is GOD! But... that's another discussion to be had on the "Exposing the Anti-Christ Spirit of Spiritual Death" thread... which has an excellent OP representative for the next two weeks, as well!
(4) Who are you to tell me "Not to OBEY past "Circumcision of the Heart" and "Faith"
My great grand parents were Jews that fled Germany during the Holocaust. They raised my Grandmother Mennonite and hid their Jewish roots, because of the obvious. My mother was born into that history and married a man that became a Semi-Calvinist Minister who served the church for over 40 years. I was raised to learn the Torah as my source of salvation by my mother. My father taught theology, but he "bled grace" and "detested self-righteousness". He raised me to understand all angles of Christian theology. I was never granted the ability to have one theology, but I had to know all major flavors.
I knew the Torah extremely well by the age of 14 and treated it like it was still in place for my salvation, with the single removal of blood sacrifice. I thanked Jesus for taking away those "extra requirements" (My pets appreciated it too)!
I lived, breathed and trusted the works of my flesh. I was also steeped in shame and failure, because no matter how hard I tried... I failed. Even with the "assistance" of "The Holy Spirit", I can still remember that I was sunk and felt lost inside! That's enough about me for now! But that's who I am to warn you that depending on your flesh (John 6:29; 63) profits ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
I woke up at 5 in the morning, day after day from 13 to 16 and knelt in front of the Bible for "My Daily Bread". Silly me... I thought the WORD was the BIBLE, and read it like it was such!
(5) Boasting of a fashion and form that rips the mountains of works to shreds! (Pharisee Bashing and "mountain moving")
Allow me to put you WORK HORSES TO SHAME! What's a post from Evil.Eye.<(I)> without some serious TRASH TALK!
Allow me to shed light on the context of the words that are about to come! I'm a ZOMBIE! I'm ICE COLD DEAD! Why? I was condemned to death, under the LAW! I am no longer ALIVE. I failed at OBEY, and "Surrendered" to my Sentence! I was burred in a TOMB, and even as I type... I'm deader than Jack Nicholson at the end of "The Shining".
I am a sinner and I was "Crucified with Christ" (Gal. 2:20) on the Cross at Golgotha!
So... Now... All that is left is JESUS CHRIST! He ROSE within my HEART! (Romans 8:9 and Philippians 1:19) I'm not ashamed that I'm a sinner any more! (Romans 4:15) I'm not even alive anymore! (Gal. 2:19) i'm condemned and executed! (Luke 23:39
One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!” 40
But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?)
Did you see me? I was the Co-Defendant of the thief that TOLD JESUS TO SAVE HIMSELF. (Ears that Here?) I was the Sinner that told Jesus that I deserve my sentence and Believe! (Lk. 23:42 “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!”) and Jesus said; (Lk. 23:43 "And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”)
Ahhhhhhhhhh YEAH!!!! I'M FREE TO DO AS I PLEASE!
But I seem to be at a strange place! Instead of "proclaiming SELF Righteousness or attending the local drunken orgy"... I keep proclaiming my SAVIOR (Is. 43:11) And Jesus didn't free me and pay my DEBT so I can continue to SIN... (Gal. 2:17)... He paid my debt in full because HE Is GOD and knew (John 2:24) me. He knew that I can't stop SINNING in THE FLESH! (Romans 7:15)
Jesus told me to CHILL... (Ice cold dead PUN) 2 Co. 12:9
But He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is perfected in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly in my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest on me."
Yup... Big shocker... I'm a sinner... but I'm dead and wearing Christ's RIGHTEOUSNESS like a cloak... and thus... I'm (Php. 2:15)
"so that you may be blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and perverse generation, in which you shine as lights in the world"
So you want some BOASTING?
[MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION] ? I'll boast in my FLESH (JESUS CHRIST) (Eph. 6:10-18 and Gal. 3:27).
I can spin a web of words that capture the human heart and surpass all others! I can walk on water! I saved SINNERS! I am utterly without a single flaw! I loath self righteous Wanna be's (Is. 14:14, Mt. 23:1 - 38 and Mt. 23:5 plus Job 13:16). I came to sinners and was rejected by people who wanted to justify their own flesh, instead of accept my JUSTIFICATION! I AM the only righteous ONE and if anyone tries to come before me with 30 pieces of silver, instead of MY righteousness... I'll send their disgusting, Naked, rotting flesh to be devoured by the BIRDS of the AIR (Rv. 19:17f, 19f)! I and I alone am Righteous, and only those that DIE and accept that they fall short of me will be my SONs and DAUGHTERs!
I call those who charge OBEDIENCE (Lev. 19:29 and Proverbs 22:14) for my free gift (Eph. 2:8f) WHORES! They are pimped by the accuser and adversary! They are stripped bare of their self righteous disillusions of OBEDIENCE when they fall to their knees before ME! I drove the MONEY CHANGERS out of the TEMPLE and I alone am the MONEY that will satisfy the WAGES OF sin!
(He and She with EARS hear)
- A Slain son and pierced eared bond servant, BOASTING IN MY WEAKNESS, And Glorifying HIM ALONE!
Soooo... [MENTION=18157]marhig[/MENTION] and [MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION] ... Call me a Demon! Call me what you will, but you can't judge whats dead. Since you both boast of your OBEDIENCE ... IN YOUR OWN FLESH... I can tell you that you are AHEM... Selling something... that is very bad to BUY!
[MENTION=1746]freelight[/MENTION] ... search your spirit. Tell me I'm wrong! But know that I'll be away for a couple of weeks.
[MENTION=6696]Lon[/MENTION] ... By Him Alone ... By Grace Alone ... Glory to God Alone ... By Faith Alone ... SCRIPTURE in light of John 5:39 and by (Php. 1:19 and Romans 8:9) ALONE! Thank you for showing me that CHRIST is not always divided by people that carry denominational labels... (1 Co. 1:13) Also a double wink towards the other thread you are being so kind to look after as well.
Though the HUMBLE get called Demons... They are merely DECAPITATORS OF SERPENTS... Those serpents who perpetuate the LIE of the Serpent.
(Gn. 3:5 and Is. 14:14)
; )