There you go judging again before you remove that log from your own eye.
I thought you claimed to follow the red letters of Jesus?
You must have stumbled yet again and fell off your trail.
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I thought you claimed to follow the red letters of Jesus?
You must have stumbled yet again and fell off your trail.
Ooooo, some more gushing "love" from Meshak.
When she tells you to be a pacifist and "love" your neighbor; now you know what she means by "love".
More lies, name calling, and slander; I have never claimed to be an Arian, and if you had ever paid any attention to the things that I have said you would have known the difference:
Arianism - Wikipedia
Arianism, in Christianity, is a Christological[1] concept that asserts that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who was begotten by God the Father at a point in time, is distinct from the Father and is therefore subordinate to the Father, but the Son is also God.[2] Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD 250–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria, Egypt. The teachings of Arius and his supporters were opposed to the prevailing theological views held by proto-orthodox Christians, regarding the nature of the Trinity and the nature of Christ. The Arian concept of Christ is that the Son of God did not always exist but was begotten by God the Father.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
The above is not what I believe, and I have said so many times in many places, explaining my doctrine thoroughly over and over again; so yet again you lie and slander. You also are the most offensive of all Replacement Theology adherents, a thing you love to spout about others, because you claim that "Jesus is YHWH" and replace the Father with His own Son. Not even Marcion the heretic did what you do so you are even worse off than he was because at least he knew that the Father of the Torah and Tanakh was the Father and not His own Son. He actually taught that Jesus had some different unknown Father other than the Father of the Israelites because he knew he could not prove otherwise from what is written. You do worse and completely ignore all of the evidence that refutes you to your face. Shameful spewing of your own doing.
Ding, ding, ding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 666th time this mess-hack has copy'npasted that!!!!
Good day to you, sir.
Oh. I did not know that. And you don't pay attention, and can't see sarcasm. She is known to spam "Good day to you, sir," on every third post, or some version of it. But thanks for checkin' in, your input, as I'm new here.Do me this favor. I won't forget it. Ask your friends in the neighborhood about me. They'll tell you I know how to return a favor.
Don John W
Oh I know. I'm well aware of her stubbornness and resistance to discussion of opposing viewpoints. Even on her own "pacifism is not wrong" thread, she refuses to answer my rather simple questions because they would show her errors in her reasoning.
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Jerry Shugart
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Was the Lord Jesus the Son of God at the time when He came forth out of Mary?
Was the Lord Jesus the Son of Man at the time when He came forth out of Mary?
The Lord Jesus was God the Son and the Son of God at the moment of His conception inside Mary by the Holy Spirit.
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Jerry Shugart
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You should word your questions so that they don't undermine the personhood of the baby in the womb.
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How many times do I need to answer it? It has been fully expounded to you in the thread, "This day have I begotten you", where also "Evil.Eye." the OP of this thread also has visited and therefore, just as you, has no excuse for not knowing my views. My Adoptionist view has been no secret, (and it is not Arian). The man Yeshua is neither the Son of Man nor the Son of Elohim and he plainly tells you in the passages which have been quoted to you over eight times now until finally I put the post in its own thread where you refused to even enter when you were invited by mention to give an answer in front of everyone, (just as was the OP of this thread, "Evil.Eye.", who also refused to respond).
The Son of Man descended in somatiko-corporeal-bodily form at the immersion of the man Yeshua: that is what is written in Luke 3:22, (σωματικῷ-corporeal-bodily), and that is the Spirit of the Holy One, (τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον), just as I have said and shown with other passages many, many times, to you yourself and your fellow like-minded Oneness-Modalists; and yet you have never even ventured to give any explanation as for why your view of that passage makes the Holy Spirit into a corporeal entity which even violates the tenants of Trinitarianism, (for in Trinitarianism the Holy Spirit is not corporeal or physical). If you cannot explain any of the questions that are put to you then how is it that you think you can be right about anything that really counts? I have answered all of the difficult questions that are constantly vexing to all of you, and that are debated over and over again among theologians; but you and yours have answered none of them. The Son of Man descended from the heavens, just as Yeshua says of him in John 3:13, and as it is written of him in Proverbs 30:4-5, and he is the Son of Elohim, and he always was for as far as mankind knows, just as Wisdom was in the beginning with the Father in Proverbs 8:27-31, (for he is the wisdom of Elohim Most High and there is neither male nor female in Messiah). You and your comrades are lost, groping in a world of darkness; and yet the truth is right in front of you, and you continually deny it every time you speak to me and I quote you the scripture passages to your face.
Again, the plain simple flow of logic straight from the Testimony of Yeshua:
The words of Yeshua are Spirit:
John 6:62-63
62 What then if you should behold the Son of Man ascending up to where he was before?
63 It is the Spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are Life.
The Father judges no one but has committed all judgment to the Son:
John 5:22
22. For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment unto the Son:
The man Yeshua does not testify of himself and therefore does not claim to be Elohim:
John 5:31
31 If I testify of myself, my testimony is not true.
The man Yeshua emphatically states that he himself judges no one:
John 8:15
15. You judge after the flesh: I judge no one.
There is only one who judges and he is the Seeker and the Judge:
John 8:50
50. And I seek not mine own glory: one there is, the Seeker and Judge. [Rev 2:23]
The Logos-Word which the man Yeshua speaks is not his own:
John 14:24
24. He that loves me not, keeps not my sayings: and the Logos-Word which you hear is not of me, but of the Father who sent me.
The Logos-Word is the Seeker and the Judge:
John 12:47-48
47. And if anyone hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but that the world might be delivered.
48. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the Logos-Word that I have spoken, that one shall judge him in the last day [Rev 19:11-16].
The Father judges no one. The man Yeshua judges no one. The Testimony of Yeshua will not pass away. The man Yeshua does not seek his own glory and if he testifies of himself his testimony is not true. The Logos is the Seeker and the Judge, the Son of Elohim, and because he is the Word of the Truth which is spoken by men of faithfulness and truth, he is considered a little lower than the messengers: for the messengers speak him, because he, being the Logos-Word, dwells within the messengers.
Once again the Testimony of Yeshua:
John 12:47-48
47. And if anyone hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but that the world might be delivered.
48. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the LOGOS-WORD that I have spoken, THAT ONE shall judge him in the last day [Rev 19:11-16].
The Father judges no one, (John 5:22).
The man Yeshua judges no one, (John 8:15, John 12:47-48).
The Father has committed all judgment unto the Son, (John 5:22).
The man Yeshua does not testify concerning himself, (John 5:31).
The man Yeshua testifies concerning the Father and the Son.
The Son is therefore the only Judge.
The Father is not the Judge.
The man Yeshua is not the Judge.
The Logos-Word that Yeshua spoke is the Judge.
The man Yeshua therefore cannot be the Logos-Word.
The Logos-Word is the only begotten Elohim-Son of Elohim, (John 1:18).
("The Logos-Word" Post#2)
Originally Posted by daqq
Originally Posted by Evil.Eye.<(I)>
@daqq... it is well known that the entire gospel of John Declares Jesus Christ God Incarnate. So... you are literally going to massive lengths to twist the matter. Romans 8:9 Daqq plus you acknowledged Jesus could be God outside time.
The supreme logic set forth by Yeshua himself from in the Gospel of John has been posted to Jerry at least six times now: where were you and why did you not answer? You did not answer for the same reason Jerry will not answer: because you know you cannot openly refute the Testimony of Yeshua and still call yourself his follower. So what do people like you and Jerry do? Ignore such things and hope nobody notices that you never answered. But you see the more you argue such things with me the more these simple truths are going to come out and the less excuse you are going to have for rejecting the Testimony of Messiah. Yeshua plainly tells you that he is neither the Logos nor the Judge, for he judges no one, and he plainly says that his words are not going to pass away. Search it, simple systematic logic from the plain Testimony of Messiah, and where you find it you will see Jerry there, and likely find that you yourself were there at the same time and allowed what I said to pass you by once again. While you are at it I have already given my understanding of Rom 8:9, Gen 1:2, and Ruach Elohim and Ruach Meshiah and number of times. What I believe and told you already in this thread is built on it; for in the header of the Sefer you will find Ruach Elohim brooding upon the waters like a Dove.
Originally Posted by daqq
http://theologyonline.com/showthread...ic#post4900625
http://theologyonline.com/showthread...ic#post4897478
http://theologyonline.com/showthread...ic#post4886371
http://theologyonline.com/showthread...ic#post4887551
http://theologyonline.com/showthread...ic#post4788684
http://theologyonline.com/showthread...ic#post4888962
http://theologyonline.com/showthread...ic#post4914608
This is not counting the two or three times this same information from the Testimony of Yeshua was posted in "the Trinity" thread, which I am now banned from entering or posting in, (and therefore cannot post the links because I cannot open them to confirm that this is what is there but I know this was posted there at least twice). And you too are now without excuse Evil.Eye.
Originally Posted by daqq
Did anyone notice that Jerry Shugart has now, for the seventh time running, managed to weasel his way out of responding yet again, and has ignored the following information which is full of clear emphatic statements directly from the Master Teacher Yeshua himself?
So I have now placed this information in its own thread here: The Logos-Word.
Not willing to confess and believe the Testimony of Yeshua:
@Jerry Shugart, @Evil.Eye.<(I)> (N.I.G.), @Right Divider, @Lazy afternoon, @john w
And the Testimony of Yeshua is the Spirit of the new covenant:
Romans 8:9 W/H
9 υμεις δε ουκ εστε εν σαρκι αλλα εν πνευματι ειπερ πνευμα θεου οικει εν υμιν ει δε τις πνευμα χριστου ουκ εχει ουτος ουκ εστιν αυτου
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that Ruach Elohim dwells in you: but if anyone has not Ruach Meshiah, the same is not his.
You have made yourselves deniers of the Messiah.
Thanks! A Christ rejector, not approving of me!!!!! Thanks again!!
Get saved, Christ rejector.
If I speak the words of Messiah and you reject what I say then you are by default rejecting the Messiah. That is just the way it is. And you have shown that you do not have the Word of the Father in you; for you openly reject the words of Yeshua as you did in that thread. Therefore you are not Messiah as you appear to imagine in the machinations of your vain imagination, and neither are you in Messiah, because you do not have and hold the Testimony of Yeshua in uprightness and truth, but rather pick and choose what you will believe and what you will refuse; and that is because you only steal like a thief what belongs to Elohim for your own beneficial use in your own private reprobate doctrines.
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I could dismember your "Adoptionist" view with 20 yes or no questions. I could do it with 2 parallel scriptures. (Isaiah 9:6 + Isaiah 46:9). Throw (Deuteronomy 32:39 and Deuteronomy 6:4) in there and you are theologically SLAIN!
Is it TRUTH you seek? Is it TRUTH that you uphold? According to scripture... you aren't upholding THE TRUTH.
What Gives Daqq?
In fact... the Old Testament seems to refute you so intensely... I'm wondering.
How can you be soooo wrong and not see it?
I'm ready to lock swords with you over this. No more dancing. You know the drill. Strike the shepherd and the sheep are scattered. On that note... who is the good shepherd and why is He called Lord... as in YHWH? (Psalm 23 Psalm 23:1 Interlinear (Lord/YHWH
John 10:11, 14 Hmmmm???
Wait??? Did He call Himself "Good"?
Mark 10:18 ?
And... on that note... You say Adoptionist isn't Arian...
Daqq said:
Hey [MENTION=17195]daqq[/MENTION] ...
(Leaning in and whispering... You're being "Responded" to.)
It feels good to run with old EE when He's looting the false temples and burning them down... Until... it's yours!
So... about that quote... ARIAN!!!!
Daqq said:
What are you insinuating? Is Jesus a "Test Tube Baby"?
Where did He come from?
Who was His Daddy?
Who was His Mommy?
Seriously [MENTION=17195]daqq[/MENTION] ?
I'm not going to let up on you! This is more "Theological Bull" than Calvinism!
Yup!
You have options...
(1) Refuse to answer
Result? ... I never let you live it down
(2) Throw up some scripture twisting
Result? ... You will be unhappy
(3) You insult me or whine
Result? ... I insult you back or never let you live whining down
(4) You man up and cross swords to the carnal doctrinal DEATH
Result? ... We seriously cross swords now!
What's it going to be?
Seriously... What do these titles mean?
Pele-Yo'etz
El Gibbor
Avi-'Ad
Sar-Shalom
Hint... (Isaiah 9:6)
Read every word of this [MENTION=17195]daqq[/MENTION] ... before you respond... I'm not joking... this is nuclear!!!
See you tomorrow, [MENTION=17195]daqq[/MENTION]... Stack up all your quotes...
An Arian-optionist straw man view is about to...
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It is not judging to tell someone to stop judging.
According to what you said, it would be stealing to tell someone to stop stealing.
And, it is only hypocritical to tell someone to stop stealing if you are stealing too and or committing other sins.
In order for you to tell someone that what they're doing is wrong, you have to judge that it is wrong. It's hypocritical to judge someone for judging, because if you think judging is wrong, then you shouldn't be judging. Doing something that you think is wrong is a sin, regardless if it actually is wrong or not.
Come on, GT, that makes no sense. I know you're smarter than that.
Fixed That For You (FTFY)
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jsanford108
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That's the spirit! Name calling and arrogance always triumph over intellect and logic. You got me.
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Jesus called people names, like dog, swine, etc.
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jsanford108
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I wasn't judging. I was just pointing out that what's his name was judging. And if you are judging me by calling me a hypocrite, does that put you into the same category?
(I would say not, because what you were attempting was to point out a fact, despite it not being accurate. To call someone a hypocrite is not judging. Nor is pointing out that someone is judging.)
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