Arthur Brain
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If somebody decides that something feels good or makes them feel good they learn to enjoy it.
If somebody's somehow already 'decided' that something 'feels good' then they're already enjoying it PJ.
If somebody decides that something feels good or makes them feel good they learn to enjoy it.
If somebody decides that something feels good or makes them feel good they learn to enjoy it.
Can't argue with that.If somebody decides that something feels good or makes them feel good they learn to enjoy it.
Can't argue with that.
What exactly is it about a dry martini that confuses you?Sure you can argue with it. How are you not already enjoying something that makes you feel good?
What exactly is it about a dry martini that confuses you?
I'm not arguing at all. I asked you a question and you gave no answer.Nothing. Are you arguing for enjoying the feelings of alcoholic intoxication without having the taste for a particular drink that can cause it? If so, weak argument, if not, then what?
I'm not arguing at all. I asked you a question and you gave no answer.
I mean, did you 'decide' to feel uncomfortable the last time you stubbed your toe? Did you make a conscious decision to think: "Hmm, I didn't enjoy that very much"?
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That don't undermine my position. I can associate a piece of music with a good time without intrinsically enjoying anything about the music in itself. Get the difference?
It's not as though people don't associate things with times in their life including music, of course they do. But you've been suggesting that I can enjoy a piece of music in itself that I find completely banal.
Do you get why I'm infuriated with this now?
Can you define "enjoy" ?
You don't like any simple music?
I would guess there are plenty of boring things that you're perfectly capable of enjoying.
Not really. It's not like I'm spouting personal attacks or insults.
Music you find boring?
Foodstuffs you recoil at?
Reality TV if you cringe at it?
This is an offshoot from a conversation with Glassjester where he proposes that people can train themselves to enjoy things they have an aversion to. I say it's bunk and there's no evidence to support it.
Thoughts?
I think some people can make themselves do things that they would rather not, with the right motives, probably something ulterior in most cases. I wouldn't be able to, though.
Well that's a much better argument and one that makes sense. I wouldn't argue that anyone certainly can't pretend to enjoy or like something with an underlying motive for it. I wouldn't argue that someone couldn't choose to do something they don't enjoy that isn't necessary either. Heck, if someone challenged me to listen to a Beyonce song on loop for ten hours for charity then I might consider it. I'd hate every damned, tedious, boring second of it whichever though...
I would have to say it depends on the necessity, or importance of the task or thing. Does ones life depend on it? Yes that's an extreme example but it's understood. Say a cop goes under cover in an ongoing investigation. He is to infiltrate a motorcycle gang for various info..Well to keep from blowing cover, there is a degree of tolerance needed for certain activities said gang participates in. Yes again it's extreme..But it's real and people do it and have done it. A spouse learns to enjoy certain aspects of their partner because they love them more than a dislike for that particular thing they do, be it their cooking skills or the way they fold the shirts...It's tolerance.Music you find boring?
Foodstuffs you recoil at?
Reality TV if you cringe at it?
This is an offshoot from a conversation with Glassjester where he proposes that people can train themselves to enjoy things they have an aversion to. I say it's bunk and there's no evidence to support it.
Thoughts?
I would have to say it depends on the necessity, or importance of the task or thing. Does ones life depend on it? Yes that's an extreme example but it's understood. Say a cop goes under cover in an ongoing investigation. He is to infiltrate a motorcycle gang for various info..Well to keep from blowing cover, there is a degree of tolerance needed for certain activities said gang participates in. Yes again it's extreme..But it's real and people do it and have done it. A spouse learns to enjoy certain aspects of their partner because they love them more than a dislike for that particular thing they do, be it their cooking skills or the way they fold the shirts...It's tolerance.
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Well, this pretty much covers it:
take delight or pleasure in (an activity or occasion).
"I enjoy watching good films"
synonyms: like, love, be fond of, be entertained by, be amused by, be pleased by, find/take pleasure in, be keen on, delight in, appreciate, rejoice in, relish, revel in, adore, lap up, savour, luxuriate in, bask in, wallow in, glory in
Didn't say that. What I am saying is that whatever piece of music I enjoy, be it complex and intricate to the simpler, from classical to industrial rock etc will have something about it that catches my ear, generally harmony.
What things? Watching paint dry? Unblocking a sink? Playing 'battleships' against myself?
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Not saying you are but your stubborn insistence that people can enjoy things they find fundamentally boring and tedious is in itself becoming boring and tedious.
Hello Arthur, and Merry Christmas!
I haven't gotten back to this thread in a while because I got the sense you were getting pretty fed up with the topic!
Anyway, in case you're not...
That's a suitable definition for "enjoy," I think.
"Be entertained by" is definitely apt.
So you could be entertained by a song for many different reasons, right?
Christmas music makes for a great example.
It occurred to me while driving the other day, and I had on one of those radio stations that plays only Christmas music for the weeks leading up to Christmas. I was fully enjoying that music. Singing along, drumming on the steering wheel. And I kind of caught myself enjoying it.
Now I don't really even like the genre of music of that particular song (what style of music would "Jingle Bells" even be?). Heck, I wouldn't even sit and listen to it any other time of year. But there I was, truly enjoying the song because of all the positive associations I have with it, and probably because of how familiar it is. That's, I think, the biggest reason people enjoy Christmas music, anyway.
It's entirely conceivable to me, that this same phenomenon could occur with other songs and styles of music as well. Why couldn't it?
And a merry Christmas to you in turn sir!
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Yes, but it would depend on what the entertainment factor actually is. I like the "Lumberjack song" from 'Monty Python' but it's because of the sketch and comedy as oppose to the music. The music itself does nothing.
I was out with a friend on Christmas day at a private lock in in a local pub and we were both fed up of the usual Christmas 'fare' and so were others so it turned into an internet music free for all over the sound system. Unfortunately I still hated most of it so hey...
I like to press wild flowers...
(I've always loved the Lumberjack Song)
So you enjoy the song, yes?
Bah, humbug!