Clerk won't give gay couple marriage license

bybee

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It is simple but it is flawed because are over simplifying the argument to make it easier for yourself. I have pointed out various reasons why I feel it is flawed and you are simply refusing to address them.

Because you accept homosexuality as simply an alternate life style does not make it so to all of society.
I view it as an abnormal life style. I do believe that some people are born with this aberration. I do believe that all sentient adults ought to enjoy the protections afforded by law evenly and fairly administered.
This does not imply approval. But, as I have said, society has changed. In general, I no longer feel comfortable. That is my problem.
 

Quetzal

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Because you accept homosexuality as simply an alternate life style does not make it so to all of society.
I view it as an abnormal life style. I do believe that some people are born with this aberration. I do believe that all sentient adults ought to enjoy the protections afforded by law evenly and fairly administered.
This does not imply approval. But, as I have said, society has changed. In general, I no longer feel comfortable. That is my problem.
Because you do not accept homosexuality as simply an alternate life style does not make it so to all of society.
I view it as a normal life style. I do believe that some people are born with this difference in orientation. I do believe that all sentient adults ought to enjoy the protections afforded by law evenly and fairly administered.
This does not imply disapproval. But, as I have said, society has changed. In general, I feel comfortable.
 

bybee

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Because you do not accept homosexuality as simply an alternate life style does not make it so to all of society.
I view it as a normal life style. I do believe that some people are born with this difference in orientation. I do believe that all sentient adults ought to enjoy the protections afforded by law evenly and fairly administered.
This does not imply disapproval. But, as I have said, society has changed. In general, I feel comfortable.

"Things fall apart...."
 

Nathon Detroit

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Because you accept homosexuality as simply an alternate life style does not make it so to all of society.
I view it as an abnormal life style. I do believe that some people are born with this aberration. I do believe that all sentient adults ought to enjoy the protections afforded by law evenly and fairly administered.
This does not imply approval. But, as I have said, society has changed. In general, I no longer feel comfortable. That is my problem.

Because you do not accept homosexuality as simply an alternate life style does not make it so to all of society.
I view it as a normal life style. I do believe that some people are born with this difference in orientation. I do believe that all sentient adults ought to enjoy the protections afforded by law evenly and fairly administered.
This does not imply disapproval. But, as I have said, society has changed. In general, I feel comfortable.
Ahhh... the dilemma. Who is right? And who is wrong? You both can't be right, right??

Thankfully we have God's word to guide us and settle the debate. God tells us that homosexuality is a sin and a perversion (similar to pedophilia).

Not only do we have God's word but we also have biology and thousands of years worth of history that show us that a man was made for a woman and a woman for a man.
 

Quetzal

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Ahhh... the dilemma. Who is right? And who is wrong? You both can't be right, right??

Thankfully we have God's word to guide us and settle the debate. God tells us that homosexuality is a sin and a perversion (similar to pedophilia).

Not only do we have God's word but we also have biology and thousands of years worth of history that show us that a man was made for a woman and a woman for a man.
Circular argument, faulty analogy, and moral equivalency fallacies all in one post? How can I get so lucky?
 

TracerBullet

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You are a moron.
Well if you can't give an intelligent response try name calling. How adult of you

That isn't a false association.

BOTH pedophiles and homosexuals believe they are "born that way". In fact a large amount of pedophiles ARE homosexuals.
both false assertions.

Pedophilia is directly linked to lesions in the white matter in specific brain sections of the amygdala, Lesions that form postnatal. Further studies show that the greater the brain damage the younger the preferred victim of the pedophile.

Poeppi, T.B. et al 2013 Association between brain structure and phenotypic characteristics in pedophilia J of Psychiatric Research
Garcia J.A.B. 2009 Etiology of pedophilia from a neurodevelopmental perspective: markers and brain alterations Revista de Pisquiatria y Salud Mental
Schiffer, B. et al 2007 Structural brain abnormalities in the frontostriatal system and cerebellum in pedophilia J of Psychiatric Research
Mohnke S. Et al 2014 Brain alterations in pedophilia. Proses in NeurobiologyPoeppi, T.B. et al 2013 Association between brain structure and phenotypic characteristics in pedophilia J of Psychiatric Research


the number of pedophiles who are homosexual is incredibly small.
Dr. Carole Jenny was the director of the Child Advocacy and Protection Team at Denver's Childrens Hospital, and she also directed medical programs at the C. Henry Kempe National Center for the Prevention and Treatment of Child Abuse and Neglect. Dr. Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 269 medical records of Denver-area children who were sexually abused by adults. Of 50 male children, 37 (74%) were molested by men who had been in a heterosexual relationship with the child’s relative. Three were molested by women, five were molested by both parents, and three others were molested by non-relatives. Only one perpetrator could be identified as being possibly homosexual in his adult behavior Jenny, Carole; Roesler, Thomas A.; Poyer, Kimberly L. “Are children at risk for sexual abuse by homosexuals?” Pediatrics
This means that the percentage of homosexual child molesters is 0.4%

In 1998, he and Dr. Jean Birnbaum published a study of 175 convicted male child molesters in which they found:
The child offender is a relatively young adult either who has been sexually attracted to underage persons almost exclusively in his life or who turns to a child as a result of stresses in his adult sexual or marital relationships. Those offenders who are sexually attracted exclusively to children show a slight preference for boys over girls, yet these same individuals are uninterested in adult homosexual relationships. In fact, they frequently express a strong sexual aversion to adult males. Groth, A. Nicholas; Birnbaum, H Jean. “Adult sexual orientation and attraction to underage persons.” Archives of Sexual Behavior

In over 12 years of clinical experience working with child molesters, we have yet to see any example of an adult homosexual orientation. Groth, A. Nicholas; Hobson, William F.; Gary, Thomas S. “The child molester: clinical observations.” In Social Work and Child Sexual Abuse.
These people worked for years with child molesters and they couldn’t identify one adult gay man who was a molester


Dr. Kurt Freund and his associates at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry skipped asking the molesters what their sexual orientation was and directly studied the sexual response of child molesters to viewing pictures of nude men, women and children.
“These studies show that only rarely are sex offenders against male children diagnosed as androphiles [homosexual in adult orientation] and that phallometric diagnosis of gynophilic [heterosexual in adult orientation] and androphilic volunteers almost always corresponds to their claimed erotic preference.” Freund, Kurt; Watson, Robin J.; Rienzo, Douglas. “Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and the erotic age preference.” Journal of Sex Research

A 1998 article in the Journal of the American Medical Association notes one study that found: “98 percent of pedophiles are heterosexual men.” Holmes, W.C. and Slap, G.B. (1998). Sexual abuse of boys: Definition, prevalence, correlates, sequelae and management. Journal of the American Medical Association



There is a VERY REAL link between the two. So.... please stop claiming there is a false link between the two.


There is no link.

In an identical fashion racists love to claim that blacks commit the majority of rapes.
Both false claims have the same purpose - to dehumanize a minority
 

TracerBullet

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That in and of itself is a type of comparison.

Look here's the deal.... the reason comparing homosexuals to pedophiles is a fair, is simple....

Both Homosexuals and Pedophiles are trying to get social and legal acceptance. That comparison alone is what we talk about here in these threads 95% of the time.

For instance.... when a person exclaims... "Homosexuals are born that way and therefore they should get all the rights that are applied to heterosexuals".
no one is saying that.

Many are making the false claim that homosexuality is somehow a choice and many try to claim that it is unnatural.
 

TracerBullet

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Then let me educate you. It wasn't that long ago in this country when homosexuality was legally, socially, and psychologically unacceptable. It was in my lifetime and I'm not even that old.

And it's still legally, socially, and psychologically unacceptable in many countries around the world even some of the biggest most advance places on earth.

Homosexuality being a legal and social "norm" is a very recent historical experiment.

Just like racial equality
 

bybee

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"Would I enjoy that thing happening to me?" Or, a more complex term that many on this forum don't understand, empathy.

There is that darn judgmentalism again. We would do no harm. In fact we are good neighbors regardless. Again, this does not mean agreement nor does it mean condoning.
 

Quetzal

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wow, do anything you want morality, criminals love you.
Also not what I said. I make decisions and actions based on how it might affect other people around me. By the way, a certain figure you might align more closely with agrees! See: Matthew 7:12.
 

Jose Fly

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Because you accept homosexuality as simply an alternate life style does not make it so to all of society.

Everyone makes their own decisions.

I view it as an abnormal life style.

Then you shouldn't be gay. But your beliefs on the matter don't dictate the civil rights of others.

I do believe that all sentient adults ought to enjoy the protections afforded by law evenly and fairly administered.

Good, we're on the same page.

This does not imply approval.

No one is asking for your approval.

But, as I have said, society has changed. In general, I no longer feel comfortable. That is my problem.

Imagine being a gay person and how "uncomfortable" you'd have felt most of your life.
 
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