Clerk won't give gay couple marriage license

[TracerBullet]

Though you appear to be taking a neutral stance your statement about "discrimination" evidences the existence of a new commandment: to believe or act and speak AS IF we believe that homosexuality is natural, healthy and morally good.

you can believe that the earth is flat if you like, that doesn't make it so and doesn't bestow the right to discriminate.

The legal right to compel submission to this new moral imperative now belongs to your camp.

treating minorites the same as everyone else is something you have to be compelled to do?

 

[bybee]

Why should people have to check their civil rights at the door just because there is a bigot behind the counter?

A difference in opinion over fundamental issues does not necessarily make one a bigot.
Liberals see bigots around every corner! How do you sleep at night? The nasty old conservative boogey man might get you....

 

[TracerBullet]

A difference in opinion over fundamental issues does not necessarily make one a bigot.

refusing to serve members of a minority isn't a difference of opinion

Liberals see bigots around every corner! How do you sleep at night? The nasty old conservative boogey man might get you....

I only see them being defended and praised by conservatives

 

[Quetzal]

A difference in opinion over fundamental issues does not necessarily make one a bigot.
Liberals see bigots around every corner! How do you sleep at night? The nasty old conservative boogey man might get you....

Let me try to clarify just a bit. The difference in opinion in and within itself is not dangerous. The part that gets me a bit excited is when those opinions are then acted on to restrict things in other people that you and I are able to experience. In regards to the OP, obtaining legal benefits of marriage. I want to enjoy those things one day (when I find a woman tolerant enough to put up with me ), and I would not want to restrict someone else from those benefits just because we find different things attractive. I like red flowers and I cannot explain to you why I like red flowers, but I do and there isn't much I can do to change that. I apply that same principle to finding romantic partners. It is not fair for me to restrict others because of something outside of their control, as such, I stand against anyone who does.

 

[Rusha]

It is not fair for me to restrict others because of something outside of their control, as such, I stand against anyone who does.

With the exception of teens (who should not be permitted to marry due to their age), I would agree with this.

 

[bybee]

Let me try to clarify just a bit. The difference in opinion in and within itself is not dangerous. The part that gets me a bit excited is when those opinions are then acted on to restrict things in other people that you and I are able to experience. In regards to the OP, obtaining legal benefits of marriage. I want to enjoy those things one day (when I find a woman tolerant enough to put up with me ), and I would not want to restrict someone else from those benefits just because we find different things attractive. I like red flowers and I cannot explain to you why I like red flowers, but I do and there isn't much I can do to change that. I apply that same principle to finding romantic partners. It is not fair for me to restrict others because of something outside of their control, as such, I stand against anyone who does.

It is not legal to restrict others from the same rights that I enjoy. And, I stand on that principle.:carryon:

 

[Quetzal]

With the exception of teens (who should not be permitted to marry due to their age), I would agree with this.

Absolutely, for the context of this thread I am referring to consenting adults.

 

[Quetzal]

It is not legal to restrict others from the same rights that I enjoy. And, I stand on that principle.:carryon:

Are we in agreement or are you referring to something else?

 

[bybee]

Are we in agreement or are you referring to something else?

We are in agreement in principle ... I think.

 

[Angel4Truth]

It is not fair for me to restrict others because of something outside of their control, as such, I stand against anyone who does.

Thats the basis of disagreement, who you have sex with, is inside your control.

So using your argument, do you support adultery because a person is attracted to someone else who is married 'outside of their control' ?

 

[TracerBullet]

Thats the basis of disagreement, who you have sex with, is inside your control.

So using your argument, do you support adultery because a person is attracted to someone else who is married 'outside of their control' ?

then why not demonstrate just how easy such control is by changing your orientation?

 

[Quetzal]

Thats the basis of disagreement, who you have sex with, is inside your control.

So using your argument, do you support adultery because a person is attracted to someone else who is married 'outside of their control' ?

Can you change your sexual orientation? Also, to answer your question, I do not support adultery because you are always free to end your marriage.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Can you change your sexual orientation?

Sure. Its possible to deviate from normal. I choose not to deviate from normal.

Also, to answer your question, I do not support adultery because you are always free to end your marriage.

As you are free to practice self control. In other words, you are forced to admit, that self control can be practiced, and just being attracted to something doesn't make it ok, or a have to happen situation. In other words, its a behavior.

 

[Quetzal]

Sure. Its possible to deviate from normal. I choose not to deviate from normal.

No, you can't. To temporarily deviate is very different than changing your genetic makeup that defines what you find attractive.

As you are free to practice self control. In other words, you are forced to admit, that self control can be practiced, and just being attracted to something doesn't make it ok, or a have to happen situation. In other words, its a behavior.

I am not forced to admit anything. Exhibiting self control is very different than attempting to change unique traits that make up who you are.

 

[Angel4Truth]

No, you can't. To temporarily deviate is very different than changing your genetic makeup that defines what you find attractive.

Sure you can. One can choose to wallow in complete depravity if they desire so. Is pedophilia ok with you? Should we feel sorry for them? Surely they cant help what they are attracted to and go with right?

I am not forced to admit anything. Exhibiting self control is very different than attempting to change unique traits that make up who you are.

Who says change it, its called don't have sex if its deviant. One can control to have sex or not. Sex is a behavior.

 

[Quetzal]

Sure you can. One can choose to wallow in complete depravity if they desire so. Is pedophilia ok with you? Should we feel sorry for them? Surely they cant help what they are attracted to and go with right?

I knew this was coming. Whenever you get backed into a corner you just can't help yourself. We are talking about consent between two adults, do not change the topic.

Who says change it, its called don't have sex if its deviant. One can control to have sex or not. Sex is a behavior.

Your moral stance should not (and will not) dictate legislature when it comes to consensual, sexual acts.

 

[Angel4Truth]

I knew this was coming. Whenever you get backed into a corner you just can't help yourself. We are talking about consent between two adults, do not change the topic.

No, you can't. To temporarily deviate is very different than changing your genetic makeup that defines what you find attractive.

False, you are dishonest, YOU were arguing who someone is attracted to, and now you are moving the goal posts. It is YOU who now changed the subject in OUR discussion to consent because YOU are backed into a corner.

Your moral stance should not (and will not) dictate legislature when it comes to consensual, sexual acts.

Your moral stance doesnt change sex from being a behavior.

 

[Quetzal]

False, you are dishonest, YOU were arguing who someone is attracted to, and now you are moving the goal posts. It is YOU who now changed the subject in OUR discussion to consent because YOU are backed into a corner.

I did no such thing. I am talking about consensual acts between adults. You brought up pedophilia. Two separate topics.

 

[Angel4Truth]

I did no such thing. I am talking about consensual acts between adults. You brought up pedophilia.

No, with me, you were not discussing consent, i responded to you, about your claim of attraction.

 

[Angel4Truth]

It is not fair for me to restrict others because of something outside of their control, as such, I stand against anyone who does.

Thats the basis of disagreement, who you have sex with, is inside your control.

So using your argument, do you support adultery because a person is attracted to someone else who is married 'outside of their control' ?

Can you change your sexual orientation? Also, to answer your question, I do not support adultery because you are always free to end your marriage.

Sure. Its possible to deviate from normal. I choose not to deviate from normal.

As you are free to practice self control. In other words, you are forced to admit, that self control can be practiced, and just being attracted to something doesn't make it ok, or a have to happen situation. In other words, its a behavior.

No, you can't. To temporarily deviate is very different than changing your genetic makeup that defines what you find attractive.

I am not forced to admit anything. Exhibiting self control is very different than attempting to change unique traits that make up who you are.

Sure you can. One can choose to wallow in complete depravity if they desire so. Is pedophilia ok with you? Should we feel sorry for them? Surely they cant help what they are attracted to and go with right?



Who says change it, its called don't have sex if its deviant. One can control to have sex or not. Sex is a behavior.

I knew this was coming. Whenever you get backed into a corner you just can't help yourself. We are talking about consent between two adults, do not change the topic.


Your moral stance should not (and will not) dictate legislature when it comes to consensual, sexual acts.

Soo dishonest...