Quetzal
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Yes, and we are talking about attraction within the scope of the OP. If you want to expand that scope, make another forum topic to discuss it.
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Bowing out of your lie huh? Figures.
Quetzal
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You have nothing else to offer, your argument can't stand by itself so you introduce other criteria and topics that are unrelated to the OP to try to support it. It's... kinda sad really.
I agree, its sad that you needed to backtrack and make something up - seems you are doing that in more than one thread lately. I see you have moved the goalposts yet again, to i have to be talking about the op, instead of adressing your comment that i wanted to discuss.
Fact, having sex is a behavior. Period - how bad or strongly someone is attracted to something, doesnt mean its right. Period. You know it, i know it, we all know it.
Facts are such horrible things.
PS you also have told me several times now in the last week, you wont be having discussions with me, when will that be starting?
Quetzal
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Wrong. Having sex is an action.
In a very broad sense there are situations in which I will agree with you. But not in regards to the OP.
TracerBullet
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Orientation isn't a behavior or an action.
Orientations aren't right or wrong. Just like being right or left handed.
That's what pedophiles say.
Also...
I watched a show not long ago about how serial killers have common DNA traits and they now believe they are born that way.
TracerBullet
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Falsely associating linking pedophilia to homosexuality again.
You are a moron.
That isn't a false association.
BOTH pedophiles and homosexuals believe they are "born that way". In fact a large amount of pedophiles ARE homosexuals.
There is a VERY REAL link between the two. So.... please stop claiming there is a false link between the two.
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Quetzal
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Let's break it down. For the sake of argument we will assume that both pedophilia and homosexuality are, indeed, developed outside of the individuals control. With that said, that is the only link between them.
Few more things: When we are discussing homosexuality we are discussing consensual same-sex relationships between two consenting adults. Pedophilia, on the other hand, is a sexual attraction to a minor which is legally, socially, and psychologically unacceptable. Homosexuality is not. These are two separate instances and I am sick to death of lazy right wingers trying to lump them together because they are mentally unable to accept that they might be different. As I said before, I would LOVE to see an argument/discussion about this topic go through it's full course without one of you subscribing to the ever present slippery slope fallacy you all love so much.
I have a shiny dollar coin for any lefty on this site who will stop claiming that pedophiles and homosexuals are a bad comparison.
Homosexuality was all of those things in this country just a short jump back in history.
So.... were you opposed to homosexuality then?
And... will you be in favor of giving pedophiles rights when it is no longer illegal, socially and psychologically unacceptable?
Quetzal
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I am not very old, but I was raised in an environment where homosexuality has always been accepted.
No. I believe children should always be protected from adult predators regardless of those things listed.
Quetzal
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I don't think its a bad comparison because of the link you pointed out. I think it is a bad comparison because one is child abuse while the other is not.
That in and of itself is a type of comparison.
Look here's the deal.... the reason comparing homosexuals to pedophiles is a fair, is simple....
Both Homosexuals and Pedophiles are trying to get social and legal acceptance. That comparison alone is what we talk about here in these threads 95% of the time.
For instance.... when a person exclaims... "Homosexuals are born that way and therefore they should get all the rights that are applied to heterosexuals".
The obvious follow-up question is... Well, if you believe being "born that way" determines the rights you should have what about other types of people who claim they are "born that way"? What about pedophiles? What about serial killers? What about incestuous couples? All of these groups can make the similar claim "I was born with this urge to act the way I do".
Therefore if "born that way" is a determining factor in ones rights then it has to apply to everyone.
That's why it's a perfect comparison.
Then let me educate you. It wasn't that long ago in this country when homosexuality was legally, socially, and psychologically unacceptable. It was in my lifetime and I'm not even that old.
And it's still legally, socially, and psychologically unacceptable in many countries around the world even some of the biggest most advance places on earth.
Homosexuality being a legal and social "norm" is a very recent historical experiment.
Quetzal
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You are making a mistake in thinking that is the only factor to this argument being considered. Another big one is that homosexuals getting legal benefits and rights offers no detriment to society nor does it cause any harm to anyone involved. This is where pedophilia is an unfair comparison. It is a detriment to society (it causes irreparable mental harm/trauma to the child) and its harmful for the aforementioned reason. Another factor to consider is private acts between two consenting adults. This factor is also inaccurate when comparing to pedophilia because one of the participants is not an adult.
Certainly, if the entire argument was based around the idea of being "born that way", you would be right. It is a slippery slope and would be difficult to defend from the comparisons that you are making. But since it is only one of many factors, holding that argument within that vacuum is inaccurate.
:sigh: Sigh.... you just don't get it do you??
None of any of that matters. Those are all secondary arguments.
This is my final attempt with you. In a thread like this when we are talking about the legality of things. It's fair to compare homosexuality to pedophilia because both are in a struggle to gain legal and social acceptance. We aren't comparing the actual behaviors within these groups or anything else. It's simply the fact that both are perversions and both are fighting to gain acceptance. That's it! It's as simple as that.
And now I have wasted far too much time on a very simple concept.
Quetzal
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It is simple but it is flawed because you are over simplifying the argument to make it easier for yourself. I have pointed out various reasons why I feel it is flawed and you are simply refusing to address them.
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