What difference does it make?
To chrys it might. I hear he likes to lay flowers on the grave-sites of saints.
What difference does it make?
I am aware of Matthew 28:19 (KJV).
There is nothing to interpret. Matthew 10:23 (KJV).
You understand what it says. Do you believe it?
That's the issue.
Then sign me up for that form of hierarchy.
Exactly. As a hierarchy. Which continues.Christ trained 12 apostles to teach others. Of course they are the ones teaching what Christ taught them. And they are not making up rules at all. They are passing on what Christ taught.
Not sure what you mean by "no newbie is subject to any apostle except voluntarily..."They were leaders to train disciples, who in turn would lead others. That is how Christianity spread. But no apostle was subject to another apostle. No newbie is subject to any apostle except voluntarily if he wanted salvation.
Well, each church is under a Patriarch, with a more local Metropolitan and bishop under him. And the Roman Church is under the Bishop of Rome. We are not in communion with them however. At this point.I quite like the little I read about the Orthodox Church which has no Pope, but has a cell structure with leaders. "Autocephalous" I think they called it.
Actually I am, it was the post I was answering that used it incorrectly.I don't know why you bring this up, so probably you are not speaking of accepting Christ when one comes of age.
Which chapter and verse of the Bible says that?
Peter didn't. chrys wants Paul to have followed Peter because he rejects the pattern of the Lord's all longsuffering 1 Timothy 1:16 KJV.
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Peter never went.
Exactly. As a hierarchy. Which continues.
Not sure what you mean by "no newbie is subject to any apostle except voluntarily..."
If he joins the church he IS subject to the apostle (or bishop)
Otherwise, you seem to be agreeing about hierarchy, so no argument.
I understand what it says. Whether you do is the issue.
So, basically, you just reject any proof, don't even read it, just continue with your manmade beliefs. And that Timothy quote has no bearing on the subject at all. Puzzling.
Elohim hates religion...I don't vouch for this guy or any other statements he might have made, but this particular essay is truth and amen.
''Religion is often characterized by absolutism, authoritarianism and activism
which do not derive from God Himself''.
so why did Jesus build His church on a rock?
so why did Jesus build His church on a rock?
The term used was not ''church'' church represents religion, because it was devised by religion, for religious purposes.
Messiah said, ''upon this rock I will build my ecclesia'' and the word ecclesia is not represented in any other language by any other word.
so we can't trust the words in the bible?
We can't trust translations and we can't trust men who haven't taken the time to discover what the original hearers understood by what they heard. In your case the proverbial cap fits.
What if the wife wants equal authority in the household?What visible vestige of the Lord's Bride do you attend and covenant your membership with to receive instruction, worship God, receive the sacraments, and be subject to discipline?
Odd that our Lord thought it not robbery to become subservient, actively and passively obedient, to the will of the Father. Do you even understand the economy of the Trinity?
Is there no ordering in your own household or does headship mean nothing to you? Or are you just one of the many liberal egalitarians contributing to the dissolution of God's ordering of the family?
Beam. Eye. Remove it. :AMR:
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What is the difference between receiving authority from a denomination and RCC. If one doesn't agree with the answers from an authority, is he allowed to jump to another denomination? Where does one settle and obey anyway?I see. You are not a formal member, just someone attending, so you do not place yourself under authority. You are also wise and discerning to point out how greatly you learn from their mistakes. Finally, you are casual enough to hold your brothers and sisters up to ridicule and murmuring, declaring you do not want to shame them, as if you think your actions are not seen by He who willingly died for that very church you mock.
You are an odious sort and one who should never speak again about matters of the faith until you fall to your knees and seek forgiveness for your vilification of others and the local church militant.
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What is the difference between receiving authority from a denomination and RCC. If one doesn't agree with the answers from an authority, is he allowed to jump to another denomination? Where does one settle and obey anyway?
PCA has the same sort of government as most traditional churches have. Even though Calvin and Luther made others understand the bible lightyears, packed with wise wisdom, better doesn't mean they chunk everything the Catholics do cause its still in the bible how Christians govern themselves. But America is returning back to wild wild west, everyone care for themselves. Not a bad idea for everyone to carry guns.What are you, Catholic?
What makes the Catholics think Protestants are not sheep?Jesus asked peter to feed His sheep
three times