Where will you go after you leave this world, in death?
Christians worship Christ; JW's do not!
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Where will you go after you leave this world, in death?
I believe you're confusing what I've stated with what others have stated. Post 2180 will explain what I've been saying.
KingdomRose
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I have accepted Christ as my Savior and everything else you said there. Yet you have a problem with that. I wonder why.
And it's funny that you yourself quoted Revelation 20:12 where it says that people will be judged according to their works. Why do you ignore that? Why did you quote it if you don't believe it?
Throughout the Bible it can be seen that a person CAN lose their salvation if they go back to the things of the world. It's astounding that you don't see it. We will be saved if we ENDURE to the end. (Matt.24:13) At the moment we are saved---for now, so far. We have to STAY on the road to life.
KR, if not for the 'Observer population' on TOL, most members of the Body of Christ might just brush the dust off their shoes and walk away from discussing Christian issues with devout cultists.
KingdomRose
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It doesn't say there that the dead that were standing before the throne were the "unsaved." You are adding to that.
KingdomRose
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I would love to. I fear that it won't last long, though, because the management here tells me to stop disrupting the thinking of everybody else here. They threaten to throw me off the forum. But I will try, and we'll see how long it lasts.
Which does not conflict with my paradigm.
Again, which does not conflict with my paradigm.
When have I ever said they were the same Person?
I have always said that God is one BEING, three PERSONS.
Do you not know what the word "prefigure" means?
Isaiah 61 is talking about Isaiah himself being anointed.
But Isaiah is also, in that passage, PREFIGURING Christ being anointed. Isaiah 61, therefore, is PROPHECY of JESUS HIMSELF.
As for Luke 4:16-21, Jesus is simply fulfilling that prophecy, as He says in verse 21.
Again, NONE OF WHICH conflicts with the Trinity.
Again, how is this supposed to conflict with the Trinity?
If Jesus is God the Son, the second Person of the Trinity, and God the Son submits His will to the will of His Father, God the Father, the first Person of the Trinity, then THERE IS NO CONFLICT WITH SCRIPTURE.
So what's your point? What conflict do you see between what I believe and what Scripture says?
You keep saying this, but you're incorrect.
Christ paid the debt, BOTH as God's Son come as a man, AND as God Himself, the PERFECT MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, because HE IS BOTH GOD AND MAN.
And again:
IF JESUS IS NOT GOD, is anything less than God Himself, THEN HIS DEATH COULD SAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ONE.
I ALREADY GAVE YOU THE SCRIPTURE. Go back and read it.
I have accepted Christ as my Savior and everything else you said there. Yet you have a problem with that. I wonder why.
And it's funny that you yourself quoted Revelation 20:12 where it says that people will be judged according to their works. Why do you ignore that? Why did you quote it if you don't believe it?
Throughout the Bible it can be seen that a person CAN lose their salvation if they go back to the things of the world. It's astounding that you don't see it. We will be saved if we ENDURE to the end. (Matt.24:13) At the moment we are saved---for now, so far. We have to STAY on the road to life.
In the book of Matthew, Christ was teaching things that concerned the 'Lost sheep of the House of Israel.' Christ's earthly ministry was to the House of Israel. Later, the Apostle Paul is given the Gospel of the Grace of God (by the Ascended Lord Jesus Christ) that Paul was to preach to the gentiles. Read Paul's writings in Romans through Philemon.
I never said I didn't believe Revelation 20:12? In fact, I use that verse of Scripture, quite often.
KR, do you agree with your cult that, Christ is, in fact, Michael a created being?
KingdomRose
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Oh no. You are wrong. We CAN stop WILLFULLY sinning, and that is what God expects of us. What we can't help are inbred tendencies to sin, inherited from Adam. Sometimes we don't even realize we are sinning. It is that kind of sin that Jesus' blood covers. Not willful sin.
"For if we practice sin WILLFULLY after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left." (Hebrews 10:26)
oatmeal
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If you actually read what is says , you would find out that Jesus Christ being the man, absolutely excludes him from being God.
Read it sometime
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who does scripture declare is the one mediator between God and men?
a. the God Christ Jesus
b. the second person of the trinity, Christ Jesus
c. the man Christ Jesus
d. the Godman Christ Jesus
They cannot be anything more or less than; unbelievers. Why you may ask? Because, the believers throughout the history of man will not be judged by their works, but, according to their faith. It's always been about faith right from the beginning.
KingdomRose
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Why don't you answer her question? Jesus plainly said that the Father was HIS GOD and the only true God. Do you believe that?
No. We don't. No Trinitarian believes that Jesus is the Father.
Yes. Every Trinitarian believes Jesus is Jehovah.
Jehovah is the name of the Triune God. The name applies coequally to each of the Persons of the Trinity.
I just did.
The Father, who is God the Father, sent Jesus, who is God the Son, and was anointed by the Holy Spirit, who is God the Holy Ghost.
Yes, we do.
No, it doesn't. It means they are the same BEING, not the same Person.
BEING is not the same as PERSON.
You, KR, are one PERSON and one BEING.
God is three PERSONS and one BEING.
Why can't you get that through your thick skull?
No one is reneging on anything. You're just presenting straw men arguments.
You're another one who denies the Deity of Christ.
If Jesus is not God, or is anything less than God Himself, Jesus' death could not save anyone, NOT ONE PERSON.
God the Father also called the Son "God." Do you believe that?
It's not SIN that will keep you from eternal life, it's a lack of faith in the 'true Gospel' that will hinder you and your ilk.
KingdomRose
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He is uninformed. We have never been told to not debate online. It is his own opinion. Years ago we were instructed to stay away from the Internet because it was dangerous. Now JWs have a Website of our own! We also conduct Bible studies by email. Now what would be wrong with instant messaging? It's just email that is faster. And these religious forums? Not much different than emailing or instant messaging. Things have changed a great deal. Thankfully not many of us go into these forums, because not everybody is suitably experienced. It's tricky sometimes when an ex-JW comes into the forums and begins putting down the WTS and the Governing Body, and I can spot them easily. Others might not be able to and could become somewhat frustrated, not knowing all of our history, etc., like someone like me who is familiar with all of our history and all the reasons why we have done the things we have done.
KingdomRose
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I explained to marhig why we think Jesus is Michael. Why didn't you explain why you disagreed with what I said about it then?