You are upset because you know that what I said is true, for that is indeed your doctrine: "Jesus + NOTHING", and that is exactly what you and your friends spout on a continual basis around here; so why should anyone not believe that is what you put forth to others in your own private lives? "Jesus + NOTHING" is the same as "Confess Jesus and DO NOTHING", and that is what your doctrine actually says by way of what you believe and teach. But since most people realize deep inside that doing nothing is a con; they continue doing what they were already doing, and in some unfortunate cases that means doing drugs. Your doctrine actually makes them worse off because you make them feel secure, or "saved", for having said some magic prayer words, while continuing to do what they were doing all along. As I said, your doctrine has NO POWER to truly change anyone. And when you find someone who truly has been changed by real truth found in the scripture you claim to know and understand; you gang up, stone him with sharp and vicious words like stones, slay him, and cast him forth out of what you think is your vineyard. :chuckle:
Daqq...
It's like this... The Flesh dies... and sewing to it is utterly useless... in respects of righteousness by any effort... even while coupled with the Lords help. It DIES. Our bodies... as they are... tattoos, Self Dicipline and all... DIE.
Take Cancer for instance and leprosy too... it is a Carnal scourge. A Cancer patient and a leper... won't be a Cancer Patient or Leper... after death. The condition has no influence on salvation. Defeat of either disease has zero impact on salvation.
To assist fellow travelers in life with "conditions"... that desire cure... is good. To tell them that their carnal state decides their Spiritual fate... is bad.
Only God can Save. You deny the meaning of BLOOD ATONEMENT in scripture. This is the most important aspect of the Old Testament to understand. You also miss the meaning of the first fruit sacrifice.
You literally remove that God alone saves... and demand that your knowledge and effort... with God saves.
If God is so ineffective that His Work on earth is incomplete... then we have some major issues to come to grips with and some ideas to let go of... mainly... that God is ALL POWERFUL... But... you go further and deny that God would even ... directly work with us in His Physical presence. In other words... you deny that God is willing to physically manifest Himself amongst us... born of a woman.
Your denial of the ANOINTED SAVIOR... GOD MAN... is at the heart of your denial of Christ and your inability to contribute to your salvation... other than excepting the FREE GIFT that scripture discusses.
You may die void of less human vices than any other human being that has ever lived... but you will never please God with Obedience... Flesh Sewn Accomplishment or Works of any kind. You are not wrong to desire individuals to live healthy, happy lives... but one mans addiction... may be another mans occasional indulgence... and in that... the heart is only known by God. And the kicker... neither man is saved or condemned by addiction or indulgence.
There are destructive indulgences that God abhores... and they have to do with disregard for the value of life. However... false standards of religious performance... that deny each individuals unique qualities and right to customized evaluation... By God Himself... are a disregard for life... in and of themselves.
Only God is without sin. Only God is without blemish... Until you understand what the Passover Lamb and the blood over the doorposts means... you are sewing to the flesh. In other words... you can't take that righteousness with you... because it will rot and die. We will be different when we are brought from death.
God's healing is different than carnal accomplishment.
A good place to start is watching "Schindler's List". Schindler was a scoundrel that had many human flaws... but He trusted God and gave up everything he had out of a God imparted Love for the Jews. He was not Righteousness material... but he was a humble instrument... with no desire for reward.
The ONE who WORKS... expects Pay... but the ONE who has faith has God's works credited to his account. And Daqq... If God's work isn't good enough... then how in the Hell do you ever get off thinking that yours is?
In other words... you are so caught up in the flesh... you have totally missed the Spirit. No carnal effort draws you near to God. Only God can draw you to God.
Did He give you salvational Love of a free gift to fill your Spiritual Lungs with... as surely as He gave you Free Air to carnally Breath?
He Did!
You say "HE Didn't". You go even further and imply that more than "some" assembly is required. God ain't IKEA!
The package is delivered... fully assembled and on your doorstep. But... you have to want it bad enough to open it... ... no... you have to know you NEED it... and as long as you are used to convincing yourself and others that you need to do this and that to be willing to open the package... and assume that the effort will count as actually opening the package... you won't get the wedding garment that is inside.
God help you if you show up without that "Covering" Garment. But... it will be too late... because it had been on your doorstep all this time and... the Angel of Death will see that your doorpost isn't covered by the Lambs blood. You were so focused on using your own paint and doing it your way... that you forgot to ask God what HIS WAY "Really IS". "Ahem... Who HIS Way... Really IS"
If you do not understand that He is He... you will die in your sins.
All that sewing to the flesh will rot, decay and stink of death. I hurt for you and understand why you are not happy with my words.... but when the Homeless junkie shows up... arm and arm with a drunk prostitute ... both, with that garment on ... and you start with the finger pointing... it will be you that gets drug away from the celebration.
That is HARD... PAINFUL... BIBLICAL TRUTH.
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