They don't have to.
Well, I could identify myself as a 7' 2", young, non-obese athlete...that still doesn't mean I could dunk a basketball at will.
I don't see the same restrictions when it comes to using the bathroom.
Can Self-Identification Be Incorrect?
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They don't have to.
Well, I could identify myself as a 7' 2", young, non-obese athlete...that still doesn't mean I could dunk a basketball at will.
I don't see the same restrictions when it comes to using the bathroom.
shagster01
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Gender is not an identity either. It's a biological designation based on your reproductive makeup.
annabenedetti
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Sex is biological status. Gender is based on a culture's attitudes, feelings and behaviors related to biological sex, and gender identity is an individual's sense of self.
shagster01
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So when you need to pee, do you start thinking about our culture's attitudes, feelings and behaviors and your sense of self? Or do you think about your biological sensation of needing to pee?
annabenedetti
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My gender identity conforms with my biological sex and my society's gender expectations. There are individuals whose gender identity doesn't conform to their biological sex or to society's expectations. Trying to shoehorn that reality into a discussion of peewee football won't solve anything.
ok doser
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that depends
am i standing in a swimming pool?
Says the one opposed to non-gender specific bathrooms. :doh:
shagster01
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That is their problem, not society's. Not everyone fits in. Deal with it.
It's all about identity.
Especially so, in direct proportion to the objections thereof. :idea:
annabenedetti
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I am dealing with it. I'm explaining to you the differences between sex, gender, and gender identity.
Eureka! :idea:
annabenedetti
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I swear I didn't see your :idea: before I posted mine. :chuckle:
ok doser
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shagster01
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And I'm explaining to you that gender identity has nothing to do with peeing. Biology does.
Self identity is a private matter. Public restrooms are, well, public.
I'm not saying it's right.
shagster01
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I don't object to people identifying themselves as whatever they want. I do object to them forcing me to play along.
Self identification doesn't change biology.
I saw a documentary of a dude that tattooed leopard spots on himself and lives like a leopard in the forest. I'd venture to say you still think he's a human? Biology matters.
That's going to be my new campaign. . . "Biology matters."
glassjester
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ok doser
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the first one is based on biological facts - dna and specific anatomical structures
the second is based on feelings
and feelings must be respected, even when they conflict with fact :dizzy:
PureX
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If bathrooms were only about relieving oneself, biologically, there would be no reason to separate the sexes in the first place. A toilet works just as well for anyone, regardless of their sex.
It's sexual identity that determines the separation, not biology. Women want to be treated differently from men, and men want to be treated differently from women. This is not a biological desire. It's a desire based on self-identification. On how we think of ourselves, and on how we want others to think of us.
No one sees anyone else's genitals in a public bathroom to care what's actually between their legs. It's all about the idea of gender separation, not actual gender separation. Which is why basing a law on actual gender separation doesn't work. It would force people who look act and feel like women to use a men's bathroom, and people who look and act and feel like men to use the woman's bathroom. Which is the exact opposite of the desired outcome.
Most transgender people are not detectable in public, or in a public bathroom. The few who might be are so small in number as to be insignificant. And no one knows what their sex is, anyway. So they could just be a very masculine looking woman or a very feminine looking man. And frankly, who really cares but a bigot, anyway?
This whole debate is once again about bigotry, and people wanting the right to discriminate and punish anyone they don't approve of. It has nothing at all to do with who is actually using which public restroom.
ok doser
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factual identity, not identity based on whim **
** see bruce jenner, who's already tired of being a freak
PureX
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You are trying to create a red herring by inferring that biology and identity are equivalent to reality and fantasy. But without identity our biology is meaningless. And without our biology, our identity can't manifest. So the two of these are intrinsically conjoined.
A man's penis is part of who he is, but it is certainly not all he is. A woman's vagina is part of who she is, but is certainly not all of who she is. And if our genitals really were all we are, and the rest is just make-believe to be ignored, then why not just build one bathroom and we'll all use that? Because everyone can use a toilet regardless of their genital structure.