Greetings again
Glorydaz
A mediator must be able to represent both parties. "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one,"
Thus Jesus had to be both man and God, as Paul makes clear.
Galatians 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Now, go back to school young man. You haven't graduated yet.
Greetings again glorydaz, To be a mediator between two parties, the mediator CANNOT be one of the parties, and therefore Jesus is not God. The following teaches that Jesus as High Priest, and hence the mediator between the two parties, is a man, the Son of God. He can thus mediate between God and man. Possibly you went to the wrong school.
Hebrews 5:1–9 (KJV): 1 For
every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: 2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity. 3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. 4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron. 5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him,
Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he saith also in another place,
Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who
in the days of his flesh, when
he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And
being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
According to that theory, Jesus is not a man, either. :chuckle:
You are obscuring terms.
What terms is she obscuring?
How is she obscuring terms?
No, Jesus was a man, the Son of God. He was not mediating his own salvation,
If Jesus was JUST a man, then He could not ransom His life for anyone at all, let alone Himself.
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him—For the redemption of their souls is costly, And it shall cease forever—That he should continue to live eternally, And not see the Pit. . . . But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah - Psalm 49:7-9,15
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm49:7-9,15&version=NKJV
Notice how it says that GOD will redeem David's soul. Not any man.
GOD is the one doing the redeeming, not a man.
but directly approached God in prayer and in his sacrifice. He is the mediator between God and man,
You said:
| To be a mediator between two parties, the mediator CANNOT be one of the parties, and therefore Jesus is not God. |
Since God is one party, and man is another party, and since "no man can by any means redeem his brother," therefore Jesus can neither be man nor God, as if He were a man, he would be one of the parties involved, and if He were God, then He would ALSO be one of the parties involved.
Therefore, EITHER:
A) Jesus is some kind of being not mentioned in Scripture
OR
B) Jesus was a man and King David was wrong
OR
C) You're premise is wrong
And since the first would be an argument from silence, and the second is not possible (as it would mean that scripture contains an untruth), that leaves us with your premise being wrong.
What GD said above was true.
A mediator must be able to represent both parties. "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one,"
Thus Jesus had to be both man and God, as Paul makes clear.
Galatians 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; |
Mediator:
a person who attempts to make people involved in a conflict come to an agreement; a go-between.
not a mediator between God and himself.
Red herring and straw man.
No one has argued this.
To achieve this, he first suffered and was crucified,
Why was He crucified?
He was innocent.
Not only that, but Pilate could not find anything wrong with Jesus.
and died and was resurrected because his sacrifice was accepted by God,
Trevor: Jesus was resurrected by God because He accepted Jesus' sacrifice.
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VS.
God (through King David):
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him—For the redemption of their souls is costly, And it shall cease forever—That he should continue to live eternally, And not see the Pit. . . . But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah - Psalm 49:7-9,15
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm49:7-9,15&version=NKJV
God (through John the Beloved):
Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business.When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables.And He said to those who sold doves, [JESUS]“Take these things away! Do not make
My Father’s house a house of merchandise!”[/JESUS]Then His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up.”So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?”Jesus answered and said to them, [JESUS]“
Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”[/JESUS]Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”But
He was speaking of the temple of His body.Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said. - John 2:13-22 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John2:13-22&version=NKJV
God (through the Apostle Paul):
And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power. - 1 Corinthians 6:14 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians6:14&version=NKJV
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come. - Ephesians 1:17-21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians1:17-21&version=NKJV
Sorry, Trevor, I'm going to go with God on this one, and not you.
Jesus Himself, referring to His OWN BODY, said that if it were destroyed, HE HIMSELF would raise it up again.
So:
Either Jesus was LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH, or He was a lunatic...
OR
He Himself, being a man, was ALSO God.
not only for himself, but for the rest of mankind.
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None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him—For the redemption of their souls is costly, And it shall cease forever—That he should continue to live eternally, And not see the Pit. . . . But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah - Psalm 49:7-9,15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm49:7-9,15&version=NKJV
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He is the captain of our salvation, a representative, not a substitute.
Kind regards
Trevor
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"Kinsman redeemer"
