glorydaz
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Read what Clete said again. Read it over a few times, and then tell us what you see.
Can a Jew be saved without believing the Trinity?
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Read what Clete said again. Read it over a few times, and then tell us what you see.
glorydaz
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Are you claiming that Peter didn't know that Jesus was Emmanuel (God with us), that He was God and the Creator from the beginning? John 1:1-3 Clearly John knew, but you claim Peter didn't?
My post is what I see.
Other than that I see my argument for the pre existence of Jesus.
False dichotomy. "a man approved of God among you”: The Holy Spirit, very careful in His choice of words, was emphasizing that Peters' preaching did not begin with the divine Lord Jesus Christ, but with his human nature,part of the requirement to be qualified as "The Kinsman Redeemer," and the Mediator-he must be a man.
Hence, Paul makes the same point:
1 Timothy 2:5 KJV For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Psalm 2:12 KJV Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
glorydaz
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I've taken the liberty of highlighting a couple of things from Clete's post that I hope will help you. But read the whole thing.
Read from the top. Read it all really slow. I often have to read things slowly, and even have to read them more than once before I understand what is being said. Just try that before you move on.
Read the entire thing. All of it.
Amen.
What am I supposed to say?
Judges 13 KJV
3 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son. 4 Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing: 5 for, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.....6 Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, A man of God came unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of God, very terrible: but I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name:
Judges 13 KJV
20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the Lord ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.
21 But the angel of the Lord did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the Lord.
22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
"man....God..." Connect the dots....Mediator must be a man...Redeemer must be a near kinsman....
Leviticus KJV
25 If thy brother be waxen poor, and hath sold away some of his possession, and if any of his kin come to redeem it, then shall he redeem that which his brother sold.
Details, in a book of details...,,,
3 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son. 4 Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing: 5 for, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.....6 Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, A man of God came unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of God, very terrible: but I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name:
Judges 13 KJV
20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the Lord ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.
21 But the angel of the Lord did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the Lord.
22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
"man....God..." Connect the dots....Mediator must be a man...Redeemer must be a near kinsman....
Leviticus KJV
25 If thy brother be waxen poor, and hath sold away some of his possession, and if any of his kin come to redeem it, then shall he redeem that which his brother sold.
Details, in a book of details...,,,
glorydaz
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One would hope you would see, just as doubting Thomas did, and say, "My Lord and my God."
But you can't say it, because you do not yet see it.
I will be praying the Lord will open you eyes, and John 1:1-3 will be like the sunlight coming out on a cloudy day.
Remember, God is Light.
1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
And Jesus is the True Light. How sad when He came into the world....so many KNEW HIM NOT.
John 1:9-10 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Can you understand what he said?
One would hope you would see, just as doubting Thomas did, and say, "My Lord and my God."
But you can't say it, because you do not yet see it.
I will be praying the Lord will open you eyes, and John 1:1-3 will be like the sunlight coming out on a cloudy day.
Remember, God is Light.
1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
And Jesus is the True Light. How sad when He came into the world....so many KNEW HIM NOT.
John 1:9-10 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
I rarely understand anything you say(loosely employed here), and neither do most TOL members.
I know, I know....You do not understand what I'm saying....Time for you to head on back to....
What Manoah said... I was asking if you understand it.I rarely understand anything you say(loosely employed here), and neither do most TOL members.
I know, I know....You do not understand what I'm saying....Time for you to head on back to....
glorydaz
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I'm of the opinion that until you see that Jesus is God as well as a human being, you'll not understand much of anything. The entire Bible is based on the fact that God would come to dwell among us as a human being. John W was giving you places you could look in the Bible to find that truth.
Jesus is the Revelation of God to man.
The Lord God is revealed to us through the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Disciples knew He was Lord and God.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
I don't understand what you are saying I am saying he is saying what I am saying.
Check.
I take all of that in, but I am concerned about the context or the interpretation.
Nevermind john w.
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glorydaz
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There is nothing to interpret. The context is Jesus had risen from the dead, and Thomas was doubting it was Jesus risen. Our Lord told him to feel the sword cut in his side, and the nail holes in his hands.
If you saw Jesus standing before you, after watching Him be crucified on the cross, would you have enough faith to address Him as your Lord and God, or would you stutter and stammer and claim He was merely the Son of God? Some sort of a lesser God perhaps?
Why didn't Thomas hesitate as you do?