CALVINISM: The Belief that God Predestinates People to Hell Before Birth.

[heir]

I live in a city that has a huge dispensational church with hundreds of congregants and multiple pastors.

I know some of these people and no one talks about the gospel of Paul.

I've always thought Paul meant that he was entrusted with the message of salvation in Christ so was taking ownership of it in a sense.

How is it dispensational if no one talks about Paul's "my gospel"? The gospel Paul received (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) is not after man, neither was he taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12 KJV). Paul was committed a dispensation of the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:17 KJV) to Jews and Greeks (Romans 1:16 KJV, 1 Corinthians 1:24 KJV) and later given the dispensation of the grace of God to usward (Ephesians 3:1-6 KJV). Both are mysteries surrounding the gospel that too was a mystery (Romans 16:25-26 KJV, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV).

 

[heir]

Christ gave His Life for all His Church Eph. 5:25, all His Sheep John 10:11, 15.

Those are two different churches, dear.

They are the "all men" which God desires to be saved 1 Tim. 2:4, or all Israel that was promised salvation Is. 45:17; Rev. 7:4; whom God wills to be saved.

No. Israel fell and salvation came unto the Gentiles through their fall (Romans 11:11 KJV not their prophetic rise). 1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV has to do with an "all men" inclusion as Paul was no longer being sent to the Jew first and also to the Greek (people associated with Israel (Acts 13:16 KJV, Acts 13:26 KJV)after the remnant was gathered (Romans 11:1-6 KJV), but now ("in due time") to "all men", an inclusion of even Gentiles such as we who were aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV).

God was in Christ reconciling the World of His Chosen Elect In Union with Christ before the foundation Eph. 1:4.

God was in Christ reconciling "the world" (not as you say above) unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them" is more proof that the man Christ Jesus gave Himself a ransom for ALL to be testified in due time!

But all rest are reprobates, and were condemned already John 3:18, 36; Jude 1:4; Rom 9:22; 2 Pet. 2:7; Prov. 16:4; Mat 25:41.

Only those who "believe not" that the fact that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV the glorious gospel of Christ) as the means by which we are saved today are lost (1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV).

Salvation is not conditioned upon what a person wills!

It is God's will that you be saved and sealed and you will be when you trust the Lord after hearing and believing the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV, Ephesians 2:4-9 KJV).

 

[Nang]

How is it dispensational if no one talks about Paul's "my gospel"? The gospel Paul received (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) is not after man, neither was he taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12 KJV). Paul was committed a dispensation of the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:17 KJV) to Jews and Greeks (Romans 1:16 KJV, 1 Corinthians 1:24 KJV) and later given the dispensation of the grace of God to usward (Ephesians 3:1-6 KJV). Both are mysteries surrounding the gospel that too was a mystery (Romans 16:25-26 KJV, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV).

The Greek word translated as "dispensation" in these instances, is "oikonomia" (and derivatives thereof), which denote the administration or stewardship of the Gospel.

Paul was an overseer, or disperser of God's promise of a Savior to mankind.

This language does not denote any difference of time eras, message, or outcome.

MADists have made Paul's stewardship of the one true Gospel of Jesus Christ, to be something totally different than the same covenant promises revealed by the O.T. prophets, or the incarnate Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

I am quite aware your mind will never be changed, for you are hopelessly locked into this MAD view . . but hopefully readers looking into the matter of the Gospel and covenant promise of God of a Savior, will not be misled by your faulty reading and wrong interpretations of God's word.

 

[heir]

The Greek word translated as "dispensation" in these instances, is "oikonomia" (and derivatives thereof), which denote the administration or stewardship of the Gospel.

According to scripture, to whom were the dispensations committed and given by God in Romans through Philemon?

 

[heir]

This language does not denote any difference of time eras, message, or outcome.

In the English language of the King James Bible, was Paul committed a dispensation of the gospel, the dispensation of the grace of God and a dispensation of God, to fulfill the word of God?

 

[heir]

This language does not denote any difference of time eras, message, or outcome.

Do the bolded words below denote a difference?

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

vs.

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Romans 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

 

[heir]

How about these?

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

...
Is this:


Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.



different than this?

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

 

[Nanja]

Those are two different churches, dear.No. Israel fell and salvation came unto the Gentiles through their fall (Romans 11:11 KJV not their prophetic rise). 1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV has to do with an "all men" inclusion as Paul was no longer being sent to the Jew first and also to the Greek (people associated with Israel (Acts 13:16 KJV, Acts 13:26 KJV)after the remnant was gathered (Romans 11:1-6 KJV), but now ("in due time") to "all men", an inclusion of even Gentiles such as we who were aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV).

God was in Christ reconciling "the world" (not as you say above) unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them" is more proof that the man Christ Jesus gave Himself a ransom for ALL to be testified in due time!


Only those who "believe not" that the fact that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV the glorious gospel of Christ) as the means by which we are saved today are lost (1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV).

False teaching!

There is only One Church which Christ is the Head of, His Body.


Eph. 5:23-25

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;


Col. 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

And the same is taught in the OT, as Christ is the Root of David Is. 11:10; Rom. 11:17-18.


Rev. 5:5
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

The Root is Christ and also the Head of the Church!


And Christ is the Seed of Abraham:

Gal. 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


So the Seed of Abraham is the Head of the Church. And those who are Christ's Eph. 1:4 are Abraham's Seed and Heirs according to the promise:


Gal. 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You see, Abraham is of the Church because His Seed Christ, is the Head of the Church.


And Christ is Israel Is. 42:1 and His election is the election of His Body as well Eph. 1:4 of every ethnicity of people Rev. 5:9; 14:6: The Israel that was promised Salvation in their Covenant Head Israel Is. 45:17.


Is. 45:17
But Israel [the Spiritual Seed] shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Gal. 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Nang]

Do the bolded words below denote a difference?

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

vs.

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, accordinlg to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Romans 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

Looks to me that you have yourself all twisted and in knots; totally confused and confusing!

That is what happens when a biblical principle is wrongly interpreted . .

The "mystery" is not the immutable Gospel and everlasting promise of the Savior. The "mystery" was the unbeknownst global application of the Gospel promise and the N.T. salvation worked by Jesus Christ for all nationalities of mankind.

 

[heir]

False teaching!

There is only One Church which Christ is the Head of, His Body.

No, dear. There are three:

Moses' "church in the wilderness" Acts 7:38 KJV with a land inheritance Genesis 17:8 KJV
Christ's "My church" of Matthew 16:18 whose inheritance is the Holy city, New Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven Revelation 21:2 KJV

And "the church, which is His Body" Ephesians 1:22-23 whose inheritance is heavenly places Ephesians 1:22-23 KJV

You and Nang who likes your post have studying to do, but first you need to be saved (1 Corinthians 2:13-14 KJV).

 

[heir]

Looks to me that you have yourself all twisted and in knots; totally confused and confusing!

I'm not the one who can't answer the simple questions.

That is what happens when a biblical principle is wrongly interpreted . .

This is what happens when you don't believe the words on the page mean what they say, as they say it and to whom. You run to your extra-biblical material to "interpret" it. Why can't you just admit there are differences? Why can't you admit things that are different are not the same?

The "mystery" is not the immutable Gospel and everlasting promise of the Savior. The "mystery" was the unbeknownst global application of the Gospel promise and the N.T. salvation worked by Jesus Christ for all nationalities of mankind.

That “Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures" was a "mystery", but "according to the scriptures". It's called the hidden wisdom of God in a mystery which God ordained before the world unto "our" glory (1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV a further study of the "our" would be those to whom Paul preached 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV to during Acts (Acts 13:16 KJV, Acts 13:26 KJV, Acts 26:17 KJV). And as Romans 16:25-26 says, Paul's my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest ("but now" being the time of Acts 20).

“The mystery of the gospel” is a later revealed mystery that included the likes of us, like the Ephesians to whom Paul wrote the letter, who in time past were without hope and without God in the world (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV) but now were made fellowheirs and of the same Body and partakers of God’s promise in Christ by the gospel with Paul, the Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, Thessalonians…(Ephesians 3:6 KJV). This mystery was testified at a later "due time" (2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV, Acts 20:24 KJV, Ephesians 2:13-18 KJV, 1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV, Titus 2:11 KJV)!

Your term "immutable gospel" is made up.

 

[Nang]

No, dear. There are three:

Moses' "church in the wilderness" Acts 7:38 KJV with a land inheritance Genesis 17:8 KJV
Christ's "My church" of Matthew 16:18 whose inheritance is the Holy city, New Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven Revelation 21:2 KJV

And "the church, which is His Body" Ephesians 1:22-23 whose inheritance is heavenly places Ephesians 1:22-23 KJV

You and Nang who likes your post have studying to do, but first you need to be saved (1 Corinthians 2:13-14 KJV).

Amusing . .

This is equivalent to arguing that because the USA has elected 45 Presidents, there have been 45 different offices of the Presidency.

The members of the one true Church of God have differed over the course of history, but the same and one true Church of God will remain forever.

 

[Nang]

Your term "immutable gospel" is made up.

:chuckle:

Thank you for sharing your opinion . . .

 

[Nanja]

No, dear. There are three:

Moses' "church in the wilderness" Acts 7:38 KJV with a land inheritance Genesis 17:8 KJV
Christ's "My church" of Matthew 16:18 whose inheritance is the Holy city, New Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven Revelation 21:2 KJV

And "the church, which is His Body" Ephesians 1:22-23 whose inheritance is heavenly places Ephesians 1:22-23 KJV

You and Nang who likes your post have studying to do, but first you need to be saved (1 Corinthians 2:13-14 KJV).

Lol! Heir, you're way out there in false gospel land!

You don't even know what true Salvation is and all that it entails, because you've never been born again.

How do I know? You don't believe the Truth!

You see, all those who have been Chosen to Salvation through sanctification of the Spirit [Born of the Spirit] were also Chosen to Belief of the Truth:

2 Thes. 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.


That's not you! lain:

 

[heir]

Amusing . .

This is equivalent to arguing that because the USA has elected 45 Presidents, there have been 45 different offices of the Presidency.

The members of the one true Church of God have differed over the course of history, but the same and one true Church of God will remain forever.

Your unbelief is sad. No one today is in Moses' church or the "my church" of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Anyone who has trusted the Lord believing 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV as the gospel by which we are saved is in the "church, which is His Body".

 

[heir]

:chuckle:

Thank you for sharing your opinion . . .

Your "immutable gospel" is your made up term of a made up gospel. And what's the matter? Can't you address all of the scripture posted above my comment about your made up term? You're so spoiled (Colossians 2:8 KJV).

 

[Nang]

Your unbelief is sad. No one today is in Moses' church or the "my church" of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Anyone who has trusted the Lord believing 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV as the gospel by which we are saved is in the "church, which is His Body".

Moses, Matthew, Luke, and John believed the Gospel promise of the Savior and are guaranteed by the Holy Irit to inherit everlasting life as part of the church body of Jesus Christ.

It is foolish to deny these saints their membership in Christ's spiritual church body.

But that is exactly what you MADists attempt to do . .

 

[heir]

Lol! Heir, you're way out there in false gospel land!

No, dear soul.

You don't even know what true Salvation is and all that it entails, because you've never been born again.

The good news of our salvation is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV! Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day! Christ rose victorious, was raised again for our justification proving that God the Father accepted Christ's full payment for the wages of sin which is death (Romans 5:12 KJV, Romans 6:23 KJV). Those who trust the Lord after hearing and believing the word of truth, the gospel of our salvation are saved from the wrath through Him (Romans 5:9 KJV, 1 Thessalonians 5:9 KJV)and sealed until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory (Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV).

Sin/sins is NOT THE ISSUE today! All of the work necessary to save anyone today was accomplished by God through the faith and finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ in the WORLD'S place!

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

If you at this moment are an unbeliever, the only thing stopping you from being saved is your unbelief because even though the righteousness of God (the standard for heaven) is available UNTO ALL by the faith of Jesus Christ, it is not UPON YOU until that moment in your life when you trust the Lord believing Christ died for your sins according to the scriptures and that He was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Trust the Lord for salvation and the righteousness of God will be imputed to you (Romans 3:21-22 KJV, Romans 4:23-25 KJV).

 

[heir]

Moses, Matthew, Luke, and John believed the Gospel promise of the Savior and are guaranteed by the Holy Irit to inherit everlasting life as part of the church body of Jesus Christ.

It is foolish to deny these saints their membership in Christ's spiritual church body.

But that is exactly what you MADists attempt to do . .

made up

 

[Nang]

Your "immutable gospel" is your made up term of a made up gospel. And what's the matter? Can't you address all of the scripture posted above my comment about your made up term? You're so spoiled (Colossians 2:8 KJV).

God is immutable.

God's Word is immutable.

God's will is immutable.

God's decrees are immutable.

God's purposes are immutable.

God's promises are immutable.

Founded upon these immutable truths, God's Gospel can be nothing but sure, certain, and immutable.

. . . And you will fail to come up with any Scripture that denies this is truth.