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Since when did this become a criteria for scripture?
Where is the "supernatural event" in 3 John?
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ECT Book of Esther destroys MAD doctrine.
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Where is the "supernatural event" in 3 John?
oatmeal
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SaulToPaul 2
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Matthew 10:23 (KJV)
LA is forced to claim that the Son of Man "came" at Pentecost.
Mike Tyson: "It's lucridous..."
John was motivated by the holy spirit. Mordocai and Esther are motivated by their own stupidity. There is no indication that the book of Esther is inspired by God.
heir
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"They spiritualize
and tell spiritual lies
They can't see the truth
because they don't
have spiritual eyes!"
~Berea
*they=LA Lost
heir
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Exactly-- you have no proof.
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So you're changing your story now! Now the definition of what qualifies as scripture is based on Omniskeptical's ever changing ideas. No, it is not.
revpete
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Hi Dan,
#1 In Acts 19:4 the context tells us that Paul found disciples at Ephesus. Upon him asking them what baptism they had received they replied John's Baptism, which was not Christian baptism. John baptized them with the baptism of repentance; this was common to all the baptisms administered by the Jews to proselytes; but telling them that they should believe on him who was coming, was peculiar to John's baptism. To be a Christian, a person must be baptized in the Christian faith if possible. These persons had not been baptized into that faith, and therefore were not Christians: they felt this, and were immediately baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. The penitent thief on the cross repented when he acknowledged his crimes but was not baptised and yet had The Lord's promise of eternity with Him. Ideally true repentance and conversion is at some time followed by water baptism but the time can and does very often vary.
#2 I agree, but again not Christian baptism.
#3 πράσσω {pras'-so} used thirty-six times in the NT. The verse is actually saying that they should be performing works as an evidence that they had genuinely repented as the word clearly shows. Repentance is given by God and is a work done in the heart and is later evidenced by a desire to follow Christ and obey His command to be baptised in water.
#4. Explained above.
#5 Sorry Dan but this not what that verse is saying. To put the verse in context John was baptising and many were coming to him confessing their sins. The Pharisees and Sadducees came to John's baptism full of their pride (which John would have known about) with no intention of confessing their sins and being baptised. What John was saying to them was that they should realise their religious pride and come with the right attitude which should show in their lives ie bring forth fruit to demonstrate their genuine intentions. This is not working for salvation because, as previously stated John's baptism was not Christian.
#6 This verse in context has nothing to do with the repentance you stated that you were going to explain. Paul is merely writing to believers explaining that his teaching was not with worldly wisdom and that an unsaved person could not receive it because it needed to be spiritually discerned which of course a person (as you say) who is spiritually dead cannot do.
#7 Anyone who genuinely experienced the grace of God (such as all real Christians) know the answer to this. When we were dead in trespasses and sins God in His grace gave us repentance, faith and regenerated us and seated us together with Christ in heavenly places...etc. Everyone, without exception gets saved when spiritually dead! I think you mean that a person who IS saved cannot be spiritually dead.
#8 We do not indeed cannot work for our salvation. However, once saved we work out our salvation with fear and trembling Phil 2:12. In other words real service or works done in the ability that The Lord supplies by His Spirit are an evidence of real Christian conversion 1Cor 3:13,14.
The problem I think we have Dan is that you are viewing the scriptures through MAD glasses and I am doing the same through orthodox glasses and therefore we are never going to agree or convince the other of which we are convinced is God's truth. What do you think?
Pete
Hi , and what is not understood about verse in 1 Cor 2:14 is not under the Law , and Israel had a GUIDE under the Law and it was CONITIONAL or be Punished !!
Under Grace , all are dead in Trespassess and sins and 1 Cor 2:14 no one has Direction , as the biblr is Foolishness as it is Spiritually Discerned !!
The is why Pentecostals are not Spiritually driven as theY are FOOLISHLY trying to bring back Pentecost !! LOLLLLLL !!:bang::bang:
DAN P
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Well you see it is like this--
Did you bring back Passover?
The 3000 were strictly Pentecostal but the 120 were at Tabernacles as Doug has pointed out where also Paul got to, but you have no hope whatever while you carry on like a pork chop.
If you truly follow Paul then show some dignified manner.
LA
heir
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says the poster who threatens beheading on members of the Body of Christ
heir
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Wrong! There is but one baptism today and it's BY ONE SPIRIT into one Body (1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV). It's baptism/identification into Christ's death (Romans 6:3-4 KJV). It is the baptism we are beseeched to endevour to keep (in other words, don't get wet (Ephesians 4:1-6 KJV)!
True! He/she has threatened me on a number of occasions! He/she
loves to make such "predictions!"
Why are you insisting he show some dignity, when you have none?
Omninumbskull speaks!
And, you have nothing of worth to add!
No one of importance in the Kingdom of God is fooled by your remarks.
You have proven to be a fake who has no gifts of the Spirit yet you claim to be a member of the body of Christ.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
1Co 12:8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,
1Co 12:9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,
1Co 12:10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
1Co 12:11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
1Co 12:12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.