Bernie Sanders Government

Foxfire

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True, but in this case that is like saying a man that murders is not as bad a woman that murders. I write in a name before I vote for people like Obama or Romney. Or McCain.....

You do realize that there are only 8 states that recognize write in votes unless the candidate is registered specifically as a "write in candidate" PRIOR to the respective states primary elections? :confused:

Not that it would actually matter.....
 
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Foxfire

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You do realize that there are only 7 states that recognize write in votes unless the candidate is registered specifically as a "write in candidate" PRIOR to the respective states primary elections? :confused:

Not that it would actually matter.....

Vermont, Wyoming, Oregon, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Iowa, Delaware, and Alabama do not require registration.
 

CherubRam

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A few things Bernie is for.

Allow millions (millions) of Mexicans and Muslims into the country.
Remove from public semi-automatic rifles.
The decision about abortion is for a woman and her doctor.
Supports same sex.
 

Greg Jennings

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Bernie is a Communist. That would be OK if he was a Christian Communist. As far as I know Bernie has not explained how he is going to implement his government.
There's a difference between democratic socialism and communism....but it's not like you'd listen if I told you what that was would you?
 

Totton Linnet

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Sanders is a Democratic Socialist he will only be president if the people elect him. Communism could never be Democratic, it has to be imposed.
 

Angel4Truth

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Bill Clinton sold the American people out to the highest corporate bribers (NAFTA, and the repeal of the Glass-Stegall Act). Which resulted in millions of Americans losing both their jobs AND their homes. And so will Hillary. Nothing in her history or current behavior suggests that she is not following in his footsteps, exactly,

False, she just distanced herself from his policies on crime, to placate 'black thugs matter' who is claiming bill is a racist.
 

CherubRam

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Communist: A person who supports or believes in the principles of community. In theory, under communism, all means of production are owned in common, rather than by individuals.

Socialism:
A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Six on one, half a dozen on the other.
 

kmoney

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I had heard that Paul Krugman has been critical of Sanders' economic plan and I finally got around to looking some things up. Same across a couple interesting pieces

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/weakened-at-bernies/

But here’s the thing: we now have a clear view of Sanders’ positions on two crucial issues, financial reform and health care. And in both cases his positioning is disturbing — not just because it’s politically unrealistic to imagine that we can get the kind of radical overhaul he’s proposing, but also because he takes his own version of cheap shots. Not at people — he really is a fundamentally decent guy — but by going for easy slogans and punting when the going gets tough.

On finance: Sanders has made restoring Glass-Steagal and breaking up the big banks the be-all and end-all of his program. That sounds good, but it’s nowhere near solving the real problems. The core of what went wrong in 2008 was the rise of shadow banking; too big to fail was at best marginal, and as Mike Konczal notes, pushing the big banks out of shadow banking, on its own, could make the problem worse by causing the risky stuff to “migrate elsewhere, often to places where there is less regulatory infrastructure.”

On health care: leave on one side the virtual impossibility of achieving single-payer. Beyond the politics, the Sanders “plan” isn’t just lacking in detail; as Ezra Klein notes, it both promises more comprehensive coverage than Medicare or for that matter single-payer systems in other countries, and assumes huge cost savings that are at best unlikely given that kind of generosity. This lets Sanders claim that he could make it work with much lower middle-class taxes than would probably be needed in practice.

To be harsh but accurate: the Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan, which relies on fantasies about huge supply-side effects to make the numbers supposedly add up. Only a little bit: after all, this is a plan seeking to provide health care, not lavish windfalls on the rich — and single-payer really does save money, whereas there’s no evidence that tax cuts deliver growth. Still, it’s not the kind of brave truth-telling the Sanders campaign pitch might have led you to expect.

And look: if the political theory behind supporting Sanders is that the American people will vote for radical change if you’re honest about what’s involved, the campaign’s evident unwillingness to fully confront the issues, its reliance on magic asterisks, very much weakens that claim.



http://rooseveltinstitute.org/sanders-clinton-approach-shadow-banking/

What Kind of Problem Is Shadow Banking?

How you diagnose a policy problem is often just as important as the solutions you propose. This is certainly true when it comes to financial reform, as competing theories of what is wrong with the financial sector tend to be more important than the technical solutions proposed. This has become even more relevant with a recent speech by Bernie Sanders that laid out his financial reform agenda in advance of the Democratic primaries, contrasting his approach even more strongly with Hillary Clinton’s.

The biggest point of contention is Sanders’s plan to break up the banks within one year, which we’ll talk about in a minute. He also argues that his plan tackles the problem of “shadow banking.” This phrase has become important to the debate between Sanders and Clinton, but there’s a lot of confusion over the term and how each would approach it.

Here’s a useful way to think about it: Bernie Sanders sees the problem of shadow banking primarily as a problem of major institutions. Tackle the biggest banks, weakening their political power and their ability to engage in questionable financial practices by breaking them up, and that largely solves the problem. Hillary Clinton, however, sees the problem of shadow banking as primarily one of activities. In this case, you need to cast a wider regulatory net, aiming at the specific types of actions financial people are taking rather than the size and strength of specific institutions.

At this point most people would say that this is a “both/and” kind of problem, and there’s no reason we can’t confront both. That’s normally good advice. But the way this debate is evolving tends to limit the degree of overlap that’s possible. Addressing shadow banking as a type of activity means formalizing it within the regulatory infrastructure we have. Approaching it as a problem of the largest institutions tends to limit and silo those activities, which leaves them outside the regulatory system. These approaches point to two different problems and, consequently, two different theories of what must be done. Let’s dive in.

Shadow Banking

So what is shadow banking? The New York Fed defines it as an “intermediation chain” of “banking activities consist[ing] of credit, maturity, and liquidity transformation that take place without direct and explicit access to public sources of liquidity or credit backstops.” So you have the risks of banking, amplified because lending happens across a chain of different financial firms, without any of the “public sources of liquidity, such as the Federal Reserve’s discount window, or to public sources of insurance, such as that provided by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).” [1]

There are two related ways shadow banking can be a problem: a micro-level problem concerning information and a macro-level problem concerning panics and systemic collapses. With lots of links in the chain of credit, there’s potential for fraud and other issues. If you are making a loan knowing you will sell it to someone who will sell it to someone else, there’s a lot of temptation for you to cut corners.

The second problem comes from potential for panics and systemic risks. Since shadow banks borrow short and lend long, panics can become self-fulfilling, and you can have a “bank run” except in the capital markets. The normal way you deal with this is through public backstops, but by definition shadow banks don’t have access to these sources of public insurance.

What Can Be Done?

Sanders’s approach is to block the largest institutions from trying to engage in any types of shadow banking. In addition to breaking up the banks by size, you break them up by activity. This is how I understand the centrality of a 21st century Glass-Steagall to the Sanders plan, which prohibits firms from being able to “invest in a structured or synthetic product,” thus blocking the largest banks from engaging in shadow banking.

There are two problems with this approach. The first is that it’s often difficult to structurally reform banks along these lines. Glass-Steagall, even before its repeal, didn’t prevent banks from lending to mortgage-backed securities and getting involved in the crisis, which is a normal banking function.[2] Either you draw the lines vaguely enough that banks can maneuver around them, or you draw them so tough that it’s difficult for normal banks to do anything that banks do.[3]

The second is more important. These activities will simply migrate elsewhere, often to places where there is less regulatory infrastructure. That’s part of the problem of shadow banking – it exists in places where the backstops in times of emergency are poorly defined or privately provided and prone to collapse.This will happen even more as regulations are tightened on the biggest banks. So if you focus on the largest institution, you need to emphasize the broader regulatory net even more, not less.

But there’s a narrative that the problem of shadow banking is just one of FDIC deposits being put at risk. In this story, if we limit taxpayer exposure to shadow banking, or get government subsidies out of the way, then we’ve solved the problem. I worry this dominates the conversation among reform too much, limiting our ability to engage in a “both/and” analysis, because what the crisis showed is that banking using credit markets, not deposits, can cause massive problems. The real challenge is how to bring the practices and activities of shadow banking under a regulatory umbrella, not exclude it entirely.

The other approach is to formalize shadow banking by extending regulations to the activities themselves. Hillary Clinton’s plan calls for margin requirements on short-term “repo” lending, leverage requirements on broker-dealers, transparency on hedge funds, and revisiting the money market fund industry. These are the links that make up the shadow banking chain, and tightening the rules for them is a necessary component of reform, in addition to confronting the political power of the largest players. I hope they get emphasized more as the election continues.

Breaking Up the Banks ASAP

Bernie’s plan is to use the powers within Dodd-Frank to break up the largest institutions within one year. The timeframe seems unrealistic, since you would probably need to replace Janet Yellen with someone who’s on board with this project, and her term won’t expire until early 2018. But there is a process within Dodd-Frank that would allow for it if you appoint the right people. Two, in fact.

Regulators could:

Say that a financial firm poses “a grave threat to … financial stability” and is Too Big to Fail. This requires a two-thirds vote of regulators and requires an affirmative process to start. (Section 121.)
Say that if a financial firm fails it would pose too much of a risk, and that the “living will” this firm has submitted is not a credible plan for the event of failure. If that were the case, the Federal Reserve and the FDIC could “impose more stringent capital, leverage, or liquidity requirements, or restrictions on the growth, activities, or operations of the company.” (Section 165d).

Sanders emphasized the first approach in his speech, but the second is already happening, with the FDIC and Fed finding initial plans not credible. This would be an avenue to push further, since the regulators are already on the case. It’s also the avenue that Martin O’Malley’s financial reform plan emphasizes, with “Right-Size Big Banks Using Living Wills.” [4]

It’s not just that it’s easier, since you need fewer parties on board to break up the banks. Emphasizing this second approach may also better convey the seriousness of the situation, since the FDIC, which will be blamed if a Dodd-Frank bank resolution goes terribly, is sending out emergency flares about the problem. This also shows the importance of appointments, because regulators in charge set institutional priorities, and someone who emphasized size as a risk has the ability to shake things up.
 

CherubRam

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That is the bottom line, Sanders is lacking in logic and a good explanation. Slogans without facts. In other words, he is another Bozo on the loose.
 

Nick M

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Communist: A person who supports or believes in the principles of community. In theory, under communism, all means of production are owned in common, rather than by individuals.

There was an explicit reason the Israelites had to do it. And think about it. They were not to trade with the outside. Peter or James would have gotten what they needed. They were not to trade with the beast. See Acts 5 for what happens when they did.
 
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