Bernie Sanders Government
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exminister
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I like Ike.
What do you mean? They have the same ideologies. There is no difference aside from gender.
CherubRam
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Communist: A person who supports or believes in the principles of community. In theory, under communism, all means of production are owned in common, rather than by individuals.
Socialism: A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Socialism: A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
CherubRam
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First Christian Communist
Acts 2:45
They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.
Acts 4:34
that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales
Acts 4:37
sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.
Acts 5:1
Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property.
Acts 5:4
Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
Acts 4:32
All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.
Acts 2:45
They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.
Acts 4:34
that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales
Acts 4:37
sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.
Acts 5:1
Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property.
Acts 5:4
Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
Acts 4:32
All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.
Then I don't want a woman president
CherubRam
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PureX
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America is already a moderately socialist country. And it has been since the industrial age. In fact, it was socialist ideals and practices that underpinned our greatest time of national well-being and prosperity, with the 'new deal', when we as a people determined to take care of each other, and to spread the wealth and opportunity around. And in doing so we became by far the greatest and wealthiest nation on Earth.
But that generation is gone, now, and our greed and selfishness has reasserted itself, in spades. We have returned to the old 'dog-eat-dog' culture of exploitation; of corruption and of massive wealth disparity.
And sadly, American Christians are on standing the front lines, shouting the loudest; touting the virtues of all this greed, and exploitation, and corruption, and poverty.
How has Christianity sunk so low in this country? The answer is simple: American Christians succumbed to their egos, and allowed themselves to be played by the party of the rich; the republican party. And now they are too self-righteous to admit that they have gone so horribly wrong. So they just keep on wallowing in their error, no matter how ugly and damaging it gets. They are even willing to vote for Trump, rather than admit that they have fallen to worshipping the golden calf of greed, and power, and wealth, and exploitation, and bigotry, and hatred and violence.
Foxfire
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That!
PureX
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Bill Clinton sold the American people out to the highest corporate bribers (NAFTA, and the repeal of the Glass-Stegall Act). Which resulted in millions of Americans losing both their jobs AND their homes. And so will Hillary. Nothing in her history or current behavior suggests that she is not following in his footsteps, exactly,
jzeidler
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The problem with your verses is that they describe free will community not communism. Free will community is a choice and the property belongs to you. Communism is not a choice, it is forced on people and in communism there is no such thing as private property, everything belongs to the state.
CherubRam
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The Glass-Steagall Act, also known as the Banking Act of 1933 (48 Stat. 162), was passed by Congress in 1933 and prohibits commercial banks from engaging in the investment business. It was enacted as an emergency response to the failure of nearly 5,000 banks during the Great Depression.
Hind sight is 20/20. There is no reason for the same mistake to be made.
CherubRam
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PureX
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Nearly every right-wing American conservative does this. It's been the dogma they've embraced for many decades. I appreciate that you recognize the difference.
Most of what has been touted as communism, and socialism, by a number of governments of the world, were nothing more than totalitarian fascist states masquerading as "communist" or "socialist" when they were neither.
True communism has only been tried on a very small scale, and even then did not work for very long. It's just not a natural way for human beings to live.
Socialism, on the other hand, is always with us in one form or another. And is the natural result of democracy if democracy is practices with reasonable, functional, social-minded restrain.
CherubRam
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PureX
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The same mistake has already been made. Bill Clinton repealed the Glass-Stegall Act, allowing the big banks to gamble in the markets with other people's money, again. Which opened the door for the bundling of bad debt, and calling the bundles "market assets" and then selling them to each other to cook their books. Which all resulted in a housing market bubble and subsequent crash in which millions of Americans lost their homes.
Thanks Bill! I hope you got plenty of bribe money from the banks for that sell-out! Because it sure cost the American people, dearly!
He visited the Soviet Union during the era of perestroika:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-11/how-bernie-sanders-spent-his-soviet-honeymoon
This was after President Reagan was meeting with a friendly Mikhail Gorbachev. If there was a time to be on friendly terms with the USSR, that was it.
And what did he say that was so awful to you?
Because Cuba's health and education systems are impressive. Health care in Cuba is a right, paid for by the government. They have more doctors per capita than the US, and make significant contributions to not just domestic, but world health. During the recent ebola outbreak, while the US was hysterically overreacting (or maybe mis-reacting is a more accurate term), they were sending large numbers of medical professionals to the source of the problem. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...tors-take-leading-role-in-fighting-Ebola.html
Meanwhile, Cuba far outspends the US on education. In the US, we throw every type of blame at teachers, and treat them collectively as incompetents in need of constant interference instead of recognizing them as professional educators that they are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Cuba
The United States is often pretty hypocritical toward other countries' human rights records. We complain about Cuba's human rights records while at the same time running an indefinite detention facility with no legal due process on the very same island. There's no shame in recognizing something admirable in an adversary. In fact, I would say that there's little chance of progress for either side without an honest appraisal of where we stand. Was the Soviet Union a failed social and economic experiment that created an oppressive, totalitarian dictatorship? Yes. Did it aspire to some praiseworthy goals? Yes again. And the same can be said of the US in different ways at different points in our own history.
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Foxfire
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Hellary has made no secret of where she gets her marching orders.
When the Council on Foreign Relations opened a new headquarters in Washington, DC, in 2009, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave the opening address:
True, but in this case that is like saying a man that murders is not as bad a woman that murders. I write in a name before I vote for people like Obama or Romney. Or McCain.....