Baptiized in the Name or the Titles, Does it Matter?

[clefty]

However, the Greek NT, written by Jesus' followers --- called Him, IESOUS. The Angel is recorded as giving Him the Name IESOUS - for He shall save His people from their sins. Not once did anyone in the NT force people to call Jesus a Name they could not pronounce - as if that is salvation. Salvation comes by knowing who Jesus is, not what His exact Name is. God is not a respecter of persons - all who call upon the Savior are saved, regardless of their name for Him.

Really? How about we call Him Satan then?

It is a Law...the 3rd one anything else also breaks the second one...idolatry

He did a lot to make for Himself a Name... you might consider respecting that much


The Greeks Jews that read their letters knew He was NOT named by a Greek name...or was Greek...keeping Greek customs and tradition

 

[COGTHW]

He was not Greek...and doubtful temple records recorded Him under a Greek name...

There has been much lost and deception done attempting to omit the culture and tradition of Yahushua...

John Honsa and Hans are vastly different...and much is indeed lost in translation

More attempt and respect is given to the names of international footballers than our creator and savior...

No surprise some of man's traditions are more preferred...

The name is Jesus. No other name but Jesus.

 

[TweetyBird]

Really? How about we call Him Satan then?

It is a Law...the 3rd one anything else also breaks the second one...idolatry

He did a lot to make for Himself a Name... you might consider respecting that much


The Greeks Jews that read their letters knew He was NOT named by a Greek name...or was Greek...keeping Greek customs and tradition

No one calls Jesus, satan, other than to blaspheme Him. Your point is purely a pointless argument, as well as being completely ridiculous.

Yahushua ...is not even a name found in the Bible. It is not Hebrew, and has zero meaning. It is a man-made name. Talk about the traditions of men? You exemplify it to the utmost degree.

 

[TweetyBird]

Let's put the Name theory to the test.

Rev 5
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Afrikaans Jesus
Albanian Jezusi
Arabic `Isà عيسى (classical arabic or Islamic) / Yasū`(a) يسوع (modern arabic or Christian)
Aragonese Chesús
Aramaic/Syriac ܝܫܘܥ (Isho)
Arberesh Isuthi
Armenian Հիսուս (Eastern Armenian) Յիսուս (Western Armenian) (Hisus)
Azerbaijani İsa
Belarusian Ісус (Isus) (Orthodox) / Езус (Yezus) (Catholic)
Bengali যীশু (Jeeshu/Zeeshu) (Christian) 'ঈসা ('Eesa) (Islamic)
Breton Jezuz
Catalan Jesús
Chinese simplified Chinese: 耶稣; traditional Chinese: 耶穌; pinyin: Yēsū
Cornish Yesu
Czech Ježíš
Dutch Jezus
Estonian Jeesus
Filipino Jesús (Christian and secular) / Hesús or Hesukristo (religious)
Fijian Jisu
Finnish Jeesus
French Jésus
Galician Xesús
Garo Jisu
Georgian იესო (Ieso)
Greek Ιησούς (Iisús modern Greek pronunciation)
Haitian Creole Jezi
Hausa Yesu
Hawaiian Jesu
Hebrew Yeshu ישו (Jewish, secular) / Yeshua יֵשׁוּעַ (Christian)
Hindustani ईसा / عيسى (īsā)
Hmong Daw Yexus
Hungarian Jézus
Icelandic Jesús
Indonesia Yesus (Christian) / Isa (Islamic)
Irish Íosa
Italian Gesù
Japanese イエス (Iesu)/イエズス (Iezusu)(Catholic)/ゼス(zesu) ゼズス(zezusu)(Kirishitan)イイスス(Iisusu)(Eastern Orthodox)
Jinghpaw Yesu
Kazakh Иса (Isa)
Khmer យេស៑ូវ (Yesu)
Korean 예수 (Yesu)
Kurdish Îsa
Latvian Jēzus
Ligurian Gesû
Limburgish Zjezus
Lithuanian Jėzus
Lombard Gesü
मराठी-Marathi येशू - Yeshu
Malayalam ഈശോ (Isho), യേശു (Yeshu)
Mirandese Jasus
Maltese Ġesù
Neapolitan Gèsù
Norman Jésus
Occitan Jèsus
Piedmontese Gesù
Polish Jezus
Portuguese Jesus
Romanian Isus
Russian Иисус (Iisus)
Sardinian Gesùs
Serbo-Croatian Isus / Исус
Sicilian Gesù
Sinhala ජේසුස් වහන්සේ - Jesus Wahanse
Scottish Gaelic Ìosa
Slovak Ježiš
Slovenian Jezus
Spanish Jesús
Swahili Yesu
Sylheti যীশু (Zishu) (Christian) 'ঈছা ('Eesa) (Islamic)
Tajik Исо (Iso)
Tamil இயேசு - Yesu
Telugu Yesu
Thai เยซู - "Yesu"
Turkish İsa
Turkmen Isa
Ukrainian Ісус (Isus)
Uzbek Iso
Venetian Jesu
Vietnamese Giêsu
Welsh Iesu
Yoruba Jesu
Zulu uJesu

 

[COGTHW]

Let's put the Name theory to the test.

Rev 5
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Afrikaans Jesus
Albanian Jezusi
Arabic `Isà عيسى (classical arabic or Islamic) / Yasū`(a) يسوع (modern arabic or Christian)
Aragonese Chesús
Aramaic/Syriac ܝܫܘܥ (Isho)
Arberesh Isuthi
Armenian Հիսուս (Eastern Armenian) Յիսուս (Western Armenian) (Hisus)
Azerbaijani İsa
Belarusian Ісус (Isus) (Orthodox) / Езус (Yezus) (Catholic)
Bengali যীশু (Jeeshu/Zeeshu) (Christian) 'ঈসা ('Eesa) (Islamic)
Breton Jezuz
Catalan Jesús
Chinese simplified Chinese: 耶稣; traditional Chinese: 耶穌; pinyin: Yēsū
Cornish Yesu
Czech Ježíš
Dutch Jezus
Estonian Jeesus
Filipino Jesús (Christian and secular) / Hesús or Hesukristo (religious)
Fijian Jisu
Finnish Jeesus
French Jésus
Galician Xesús
Garo Jisu
Georgian იესო (Ieso)
Greek Ιησούς (Iisús modern Greek pronunciation)
Haitian Creole Jezi
Hausa Yesu
Hawaiian Jesu
Hebrew Yeshu ישו (Jewish, secular) / Yeshua יֵשׁוּעַ (Christian)
Hindustani ईसा / عيسى (īsā)
Hmong Daw Yexus
Hungarian Jézus
Icelandic Jesús
Indonesia Yesus (Christian) / Isa (Islamic)
Irish Íosa
Italian Gesù
Japanese イエス (Iesu)/イエズス (Iezusu)(Catholic)/ゼス(zesu) ゼズス(zezusu)(Kirishitan)イイスス(Iisusu)(Eastern Orthodox)
Jinghpaw Yesu
Kazakh Иса (Isa)
Khmer យេស៑ូវ (Yesu)
Korean 예수 (Yesu)
Kurdish Îsa
Latvian Jēzus
Ligurian Gesû
Limburgish Zjezus
Lithuanian Jėzus
Lombard Gesü
मराठी-Marathi येशू - Yeshu
Malayalam ഈശോ (Isho), യേശു (Yeshu)
Mirandese Jasus
Maltese Ġesù
Neapolitan Gèsù
Norman Jésus
Occitan Jèsus
Piedmontese Gesù
Polish Jezus
Portuguese Jesus
Romanian Isus
Russian Иисус (Iisus)
Sardinian Gesùs
Serbo-Croatian Isus / Исус
Sicilian Gesù
Sinhala ජේසුස් වහන්සේ - Jesus Wahanse
Scottish Gaelic Ìosa
Slovak Ježiš
Slovenian Jezus
Spanish Jesús
Swahili Yesu
Sylheti যীশু (Zishu) (Christian) 'ঈছা ('Eesa) (Islamic)
Tajik Исо (Iso)
Tamil இயேசு - Yesu
Telugu Yesu
Thai เยซู - "Yesu"
Turkish İsa
Turkmen Isa
Ukrainian Ісус (Isus)
Uzbek Iso
Venetian Jesu
Vietnamese Giêsu
Welsh Iesu
Yoruba Jesu
Zulu uJesu

You forgot English. Jesus. Lol HALLELUJAH JESUS.!!

 

[clefty]

No one calls Jesus, satan, other than to blaspheme Him. Your point is purely a pointless argument, as well as being completely ridiculous.

Yahushua ...is not even a name found in the Bible. It is not Hebrew, and has zero meaning. It is a man-made name. Talk about the traditions of men? You exemplify it to the utmost degree.

Yah is found in the bible but only in recent translations...NKJV for instance

Yeshua or any other attempt is better than Jesus...the letter J only invented the last few hundred years...

Covenants being legal contracts I maintain it is important to name your savior...we are a bride yes? Imagine bridegroom hearing the wrong name or seeing it written on the marriage contract...

Don't carry it in vain...not a suggestion

Nothing wrong with learning a little Hebrew and showing a real desire to get to know the culture and tradition of your bridegroom is there?

You ashamed?

Maybe a little antisemitic? like the early Roman church trying to sell this to pagan Europeans also leery of anything Jewish...

Lots of changes were made to make it more suitable for them...

 

[TweetyBird]

Yah is found in the bible but only in recent translations...NKJV for instance

Yes, Yah is found in the OT several times. It's always been there in the Hebrew - it's not a new revelation ... lol. yahushua does not appear there. It is made up man made creation. Do you know why?

Yeshua or any other attempt is better than Jesus...the letter J only invented the last few hundred years...

The letter "y" is Greek/Latin. So it's ok to use it but not the "J", which is French? You are hilarious.

Covenants being legal contracts I maintain it is important to name your savior...we are a bride yes? Imagine bridegroom hearing the wrong name or seeing it written on the marriage contract...

Don't carry it in vain...not a suggestion

The Savior knows who is calling on His Name - He is Salvation.

Let me ask you this. If you are married and your wife calls out to you - are you saying that you won't answer her if she does not say the exact birth name [first, middle, and last names of course and no nick names, no cutsy stuff like Hon or Babe or Sweetheart] every single time she addresses you as given to you by your parents?

 

[TweetyBird]

Nothing wrong with learning a little Hebrew and showing a real desire to get to know the culture and tradition of your bridegroom is there?

The "Bridegroom's" culture is the cross. It's definitely not Hebrew. It was a pesky pagan Roman torture device to put people to death.

You ashamed?

Maybe a little antisemitic? like the early Roman church trying to sell this to pagan Europeans also leery of anything Jewish...

Saying that the death of Christ was not Jewish is not being anti-Semitic. It was Roman however. You can't deny that. There is no Jewish culture or tradition in the Salvation of Christ. And He is not Jewish in Heaven, is not keeping Torah, and is not lining up with other Jewish saints to sacrifice animals everyday, or celebrating the feasts and Sabbaths. But maybe you missed that?

Lots of changes were made to make it more suitable for them...

Everything about the Gospel of Christ changed life as it was. There was no more Jewish culture in Christ. What is taught in the NT is not Jewish Culture - it's a new religion based on Love, salvation, forgiveness, mercy, compassion and sacrifice of self. That is not Jewish "culture" or tradition.

 

[COGTHW]

Yah is found in the bible but only in recent translations...NKJV for instance

Yeshua or any other attempt is better than Jesus...the letter J only invented the last few hundred years...

Covenants being legal contracts I maintain it is important to name your savior...we are a bride yes? Imagine bridegroom hearing the wrong name or seeing it written on the marriage contract...

Don't carry it in vain...not a suggestion

Nothing wrong with learning a little Hebrew and showing a real desire to get to know the culture and tradition of your bridegroom is there?

You ashamed?

Maybe a little antisemitic? like the early Roman church trying to sell this to pagan Europeans also leery of anything Jewish...

Lots of changes were made to make it more suitable for them...

Jesus Christ is the name. The book says to be baptized in the name of Jesus not Yah. But Yeshua if Hebrew. You speak English so just say Jesus. What is so wrong or what is the problem.?? I don't understand.??

 

[TweetyBird]

Jesus Christ is the name. The book says to be baptized in the name of Jesus not Yah. But Yeshua if Hebrew. You speak English so just say Jesus. What is so wrong or what is the problem.?? I don't understand.??

It's a Sacred Name thing. They think that unless they say the exact name, they won't be saved. Seeing as how there are over 50 different pronunciations for Yeshua in so-called Hebrew, all given by revelation by the Holy Spirit - there is a huge problem.

 

[TweetyBird]

Here are the alternative names for Yeshua that I have collected so far - all claiming to be "THE TRUE NAME":

Yeshua, Yesha, Yeshuah, Yehshua, Yehshuah, Yeshu, YESHUAH, YEHSHUAH, YAHUSUHWA, YAHOOSHUA ,YHWHSOSANA, YAHVAHSHUA, Yeshouah, Y'shua, Y'shuah, Yeshu, Yaohushua, Yasha, Yashua, Yashuah, Yahshua, Yahshuah, Yahusha, Y'shua,Yehoshua, Yehooshuah, Yoshua, YHVHShua, YHVHShuah, Yhvhshua, Yhwhshua, Iahoshua, Iahoshuah, Iahushua, or Iahushuah YHWHShua, YHWHShuah, Yhvhshuah, Yhwhshuah, Yahvehshua, Yahwehshua, Yhwhhoshua Yahvehshuah, Yahwehshuah, Yahushuah, Yaohushua, Yaohushuah

 

[COGTHW]

It's a Sacred Name thing. They think that unless they say the exact name, they won't be saved. Seeing as how there are over 50 different pronunciations for Yeshua in so-called Hebrew, all given by revelation by the Holy Spirit - there is a huge problem.

Well according to them none of us will be saved then, let them tell it. Jesus is enough for me. Cause when I used that name yesterday looking at the sky and it was only one cloud in sight and I said Jesus make the cloud disappear and less then one second it was gone Jesus Christ is enough for me.

 

[iamaberean]

Act 2:38
ThenG1161 PeterG4074 saidG5346 untoG4314 them,G846 Repent,G3340 andG2532 be baptizedG907 every oneG1538 of youG5216 inG1909 theG3588 nameG3686 of JesusG2424 ChristG5547 forG1519 the remissionG859 of sins,G266 andG2532 ye shall receiveG2983 theG3588 giftG1431 of theG3588 HolyG40 Ghost.G4151

From New Testament, Greek translated Hebrew word:
G2424

Ἰησοῦς Greek
Iēsous Greek

ee-ay-sooce'Hebrew
Of Hebrew origin [H3091]; Jesus (that is, Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: - Jesus.

from old testament - Hebrew:
H3091
יהושׁע יהושׁוּע
yehôshûa‛ yehôshûa‛
yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.
No Greek words here.

 

[COGTHW]

Act 2:38
ThenG1161 PeterG4074 saidG5346 untoG4314 them,G846 Repent,G3340 andG2532 be baptizedG907 every oneG1538 of youG5216 inG1909 theG3588 nameG3686 of JesusG2424 ChristG5547 forG1519 the remissionG859 of sins,G266 andG2532 ye shall receiveG2983 theG3588 giftG1431 of theG3588 HolyG40 Ghost.G4151

From New Testament, Greek translated Hebrew word:
G2424

Ἰησοῦς Greek
Iēsous Greek

ee-ay-sooce'Hebrew
Of Hebrew origin [H3091]; Jesus (that is, Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: - Jesus.

from old testament - Hebrew:
H3091
יהושׁע יהושׁוּע
yehôshûa‛ yehôshûa‛
yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.
No Greek words here.

Jesus is His name in English. We don't speak Greek Latin or Hebrew.

 

[clefty]

Yes, Yah is found in the OT several times. It's always been there in the Hebrew - it's not a new revelation ... lol. yahushua does not appear there. It is made up man made creation. Do you know why?

of course it was there in the Hebrew that is not the issue the issue is that is was replaced by GOD or LORD or YHWH or Jehovah or a bunch of nick names and titles...it's new as YAH in English because well translators and publishers realize it is important...

The letter "y" is Greek/Latin. So it's ok to use it but not the "J", which is French? You are hilarious.

so before 1600 Jesus in English was something else...

The Savior knows who is calling on His Name - He is Salvation.

and has asked us to obey the third commandment and we'll remember His name too...

Let me ask you this. If you are married and your wife calls out to you - are you saying that you won't answer her if she does not say the exact birth name [first, middle, and last names of course and no nick names, no cutsy stuff like Hon or Babe or Sweetheart] every single time she addresses you as given to you by your parents?

Try and cash a check at your bank addressed to Honeybunz...or sign your mortgage "twittybird"

Imagine you name in the book of life as well someone else's...lol

 

[clefty]

The "Bridegroom's" culture is the cross. It's definitely not Hebrew. It was a pesky pagan Roman torture device to put people to death.

His culture custom and tradition were beyond that of the cross...

Saying that the death of Christ was not Jewish is not being anti-Semitic.

now what are you going on about? denying His Jewishness and Hebrew name might be rooted in the desperate attempt of those to "sell the gospel" to pagan Europeans by making it all easier and attractive And not of the suspicious of the Jews...

It was Roman however. You can't deny that. There is no Jewish culture or tradition in the Salvation of Christ.

He would disagree and said as much

And He is not Jewish in Heaven, is not keeping Torah, and is not lining up with other Jewish saints to sacrifice animals everyday, or celebrating the feasts and Sabbaths. But maybe you missed that?

so He doesn't keep His own law? Interesting...the very thing that describes Him...His Character...

Everything about the Gospel of Christ changed life as it was. There was no more Jewish culture in Christ. What is taught in the NT is not Jewish Culture - it's a new religion based on Love, salvation, forgiveness, mercy, compassion and sacrifice of self. That is not Jewish "culture" or tradition.

Love huh? Love mercy compassion etc NOT in the OT? Wow...

Just a branch there..not grafted into anything...just lying on the ground there...

No trunk...no root...

Wow

 

[clefty]

It's a Sacred Name thing. They think that unless they say the exact name, they won't be saved. Seeing as how there are over 50 different pronunciations for Yeshua in so-called Hebrew, all given by revelation by the Holy Spirit - there is a huge problem.

Lol...not heard that...exact name only...

Just some of us really are understanding more and appreciating more even blessed for attempting to obey...you know the 3rd commandment...

Desiring a closer understanding in spirit and truth...truth being Jesus is his English name...

He was Jewish with a Hebrew name...part of that custom and tradition

Oh and law...

 

[clefty]

It's funny how defensive and bothered people get when reminded how Jewish Jesus is...

And especially when reminded how the first century church was all festival and Sabbath keeping...even kosher...

That is way too Jewish...lol...

I have seen the many paintings of baby Jesus all blond and blue eyed...



We really try to respect other peoples names of renown...artists writers scientists etc

Monét, Van Gogh, Don Quijote...you know, it's kinda a snob thing to do...but it's just to respect one's culture and ethnic heritage and origin...oh and to prove how aware and learned we are...even bi-lingual

But hey, why don't we just forget all that when it comes to our Creator and Author of our salvation Who specifically asked we remember His name...that's way too Jewish...lol

A football player or rock star gets more respect...or a Mexican named Jesús...rarely do I hear English Americans call him Jesus...lol

Again, you don't have to...just some of us want to...

You don't have to keep the other 9 either...just some of us want to...you know, because of what was done for us by Him...and for His Father's Name...

I want Him to get my name right...might as well return da props...ya dig?

 

[iamaberean]

In the book of Acts Paul talks to the Jews about his conversion.

Act 22:1 Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you.
Act 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
He is speaking to Hebrews in the Hebrew tongue.

Act 22:6 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.
Act 22:7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 22:8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
In the Hebrew tongue, he would not have said 'Jesus', he would have said "Jehoshua". So, in effect the LORD declared "I am Jehoshua". It would be safe to assume that Paul would not have changed Jehoshua's name to Jesus even if he had been speaking in Greek.

 

[COGTHW]

In the book of Acts Paul talks to the Jews about his conversion.

Act 22:1 Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you.
Act 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
He is speaking to Hebrews in the Hebrew tongue.

Act 22:6 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.
Act 22:7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 22:8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
In the Hebrew tongue, he would not have said 'Jesus', he would have said "Jehoshua". So, in effect the LORD declared "I am Jehoshua". It would be safe to assume that Paul would not have changed Jehoshua's name to Jesus even if he had been speaking in Greek.

Sir so when Jesus speak to the Latino Prohets, and he don't speak Hebrew nor English or Greek. Trust me the Lord will speak Spanish to him and he will know that is Jesús. The point you are making is just a circle going right back to commonsense things they spoke Hebrew which was old time Aramaic. So of course the didn't say Jesus in English tongues. You speak English so just say Jesus.