elohiym
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You don't know many New Yorkers, do you?
Baking Cakes for Homosexual Couples
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You don't know many New Yorkers, do you?
he's talking about new yawkers
I agree, but when its a specialty created item - that's completely different, then you know what their behavior is and are participating in its celebration. Wedding cakes arent blank and sitting in the case to sell to people, its a specifically created item.
elohiym left me a rep comment as follows:
i guess he wants me to respond to you knight, and since he frightens me so much (and calls me mean names), i'd better do it!
if th had said this, my response would have been: "wow th - how did you become sensible all of a sudden?"
again, responding to th making that comment: "but what about the poor offended people with hurt feelings? Who's thinking about them?"
(see, i was mocking th with sarcasm there)
again, responding to a hypothetical th: "ok - who are you and does th know you're using his keyboard?"
there - that should make elo happy
who knew he was one of town's sycophants?
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PureX
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There is no force involved, whatever. I have pointed this out on every of the other twenty or so threads about this subject, but for some reason, the super-Christians are so intent on imagining themselves to be the victims, rather than the victimizers, that they absolutely will not recognize this simple fact of reality.
No one is being forced to do anything against their will. No one has to make anyone a cake, for any reason, ever. Bu one has to sell anything to anyone they don't want to.
All that is being asked and expected, is that commerce be conducted fairly and honestly. We aren't allowed to deceive people and cheat them just because we don't like them, or we don't like their heir moral codes.
IMJerusha
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No, I don't think that Yeshua served up sinners behaviors as okay. He said "Go, and sin no more." not go ahead and continue as you are.
IMJerusha
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I don't think you do. Taking a stand against homosexual behavior is not the same thing as taking a stand against homosexuals. It's one thing to love a person and a whole other thing to love their sin. If a person refuses to separate themselves from a sinful lifestyle, they get shunned, plain and simple.
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musterion
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You would now be sued by inhuman humanists for simply posting the sign.
musterion
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The manager of a local abortion clinic comes to a baker to request five cakes for a party to celebrate the abattoir's anniversary. The cakes are to simulate, as closely as possible, newborn babies. Some are to be white cake, some chocolate, but all must be the correct size, have varied icings for hair and facial features, and are all to be filled with raspberry jam. There is no question the baker is skilled enough to pull this off with no problem, and the clinic says money is no object.Originally Posted by Truster
Refusing to serve a sinner is a sure sign of the most disgusting disease….self-righteousness.
Would refusing the job because she opposes abortion make the baker self-righteous? Would she disgust you if she refused the job?
TracerBullet
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like only allowing white people into your place of business
just like these young men could have chosen to go eat at a different establishment
musterion
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The transmission on San Francisco's Sodomy-On-Wheels mobile fornication van has begun to slip badly. It's towed to an AAMCO owned and operated by a fundamentalist. The mechanic has read news stories and knows what this van is all about but the van's owner pleads with him to get it back on the road and even flashes a wad of $100s if he gets the van up on the lift pronto.Originally Posted by Truster
Refusing to serve a sinner is a sure sign of the most disgusting disease….self-righteousness.
Would refusing the job because he opposes homosexuality and fornication make the mechanic self-righteous? Would he disgust you if he refused the job?
TracerBullet
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the bakers constitutional right to be a bigot ends when he starts inflicting his hate onto other people
TracerBullet
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maybe you should start behaving like them too
musterion
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The apostle Paul denounced the idolatry he encountered among the Gentiles. Many repented but many more did not. A man named Alexander, a coppersmith who made his living from the manufacture and sale of idols, evidently went out of his way to give Paul as much trouble as he could; or as Paul worded it to Timothy, "he did me great harm." Toward the end of his life, Paul looked forward to God rewarding Alexander "according to his works."
Was Paul self-righteous for his imprecation against Alexander? Does he disgust you for writing this to Timothy?
Was Paul self-righteous for his imprecation against Alexander? Does he disgust you for writing this to Timothy?
No, you're mixing eggs and flour. If you were there at the reception, that's celebrating. Doing your job ain't the same thing.
For that matter, supposing a gay couple doing a quick city hall marriage grabbed a cake off the shelf and mentioned "Hey, it's for our wedding, we're eloping," what then?
P.S. Are you saying craftmanship always implies "celebration" of the event or end user? What if a guy making an ice sculpture for a 50th anniversary for the Genoveses hates Italians? Is he "celebrating" their anniversary or just doing his job? What if a photographer does a shoot for a magazine and hates the subject of the cover? Is the photographer "celebrating" the subject, or just doing what he's good at? If a jeweler crafts a specialty work for a Muslim couple and detests Muslims, is she "celebrating" her customer's religion, or merely doing good work?
And so forth.
If anything, a real mercenary case could be made that taking the money from these people and putting it into your pocket is at least an economic victory for you that could be put to good use.
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or only black people
what's wrong with that?
just like these young men could have chosen to go eat at a different establishment
yes, they could have and should have
what's your point?
musterion
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ISWYDT. You aren't nearly as subtle or sly as you think.
musterion
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Looks like they're enjoying Steak&Shake. What's the big deal?
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