Baking Cakes for Homosexual Couples

[genuineoriginal]

There is no force involved, whatever.

The choice is violate your personal religious beliefs or be sued out of business.
That is force, you moron.

 

[genuineoriginal]

like only allowing white people into your place of business



just like these young men could have chosen to go eat at a different establishment

I see you are saying that all blacks are sexual perverts who deserve to be put to death for their sexual perversions for the good of society.

 

[TracerBullet]

I see you are saying that all blacks are sexual perverts who deserve to be put to death for their sexual perversions for the good of society.

if that is what you see then maybe you have been staring to much at the burning crosses you put in other peoples yards

 

[genuineoriginal]

the bakers constitutional right to be a bigot ends when he starts inflicting his hate onto other people

There is no hate in telling a sexual pervert to repent.

There is hate in baking the sexual pervert a cake to celebrate his sexual perversion and sending him on his merry way straight to hell.

 

[genuineoriginal]

if that is what you see then maybe you have been staring to much at the burning crosses you put in other peoples yards

Have you ever read or heard this line?

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

~ Martin Luther King, Jr.​

I can tell the difference between the color of a person's skin and the content of the person's character.

You, on the other hand, are saying that the color of a person's skin is no different than the content of the person's character every time you compare a person who has dark skin to a person that commits vile acts of sexual perversion.

 

[Granite]

There is no hate in telling a sexual pervert to repent.

There is hate in baking the sexual pervert a cake to celebrate his sexual perversion and sending him on his merry way straight to hell.

Yeah, there is. Among other things. The fact you can't or won't see that just shows how much is wrong with you.

 

[resurrected]

There is no hate in telling a sexual pervert to repent.

depends on what kind of sexual perversion

traci and granite, for example, just lurves their precious homos, so any criticism of them will be seen as hate

but mention pedophiles and watch their hatred burn through

 

[TracerBullet]

There is no hate in telling a sexual pervert to repent.

There is hate in baking the sexual pervert a cake to celebrate his sexual perversion and sending him on his merry way straight to hell.

please repent your disgusting perversion

 

[TracerBullet]

Have you ever read or heard this line?

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

~ Martin Luther King, Jr.​

I can tell the difference between the color of a person's skin and the content of the person's character.

You, on the other hand, are saying that the color of a person's skin is no different than the content of the person's character every time you compare a person who has dark skin to a person that commits vile acts of sexual perversion.

and I can tell about the content of your character, and there is nothing good there

 

[TracerBullet]

Yeah, there is. Among other things. The fact you can't or won't see that just shows how much is wrong with you.

:up:

 

[GFR7]

yes, they could have and should have


what's your point?

Mayhap they did? :think: Isn't the cook/soda counter-man behind the counter black? Maybe this one was a black establishment.......

 

[genuineoriginal]

I won't repent of my disgusting perversion

FIFY

 

[Dialogos]

the bakers constitutional right to be a bigot ends when he starts inflicting his hate onto other people

...and out pops the tired but typical inflamatory rhetoric, complete with the two favorite words that always get paraded around..."bigot" and "hate."

Apparently, you either celebrate homosexuality or you are a bigot. Abstaining from participation in a same sex wedding isn't an option anymore. If you are a baker, you have to bake a cake, if you are a photographer, you have to take pictures.

So the next thing coming is that if you are a pastor, you have to do the ceremony.

Yup, park your conscience at the door pastor, homosexuality must be celebrated, by law.

And you want to know what words will be trotted out to justify forcing clergy to peform same sex weddings against thier conscience or be penalized for their civil disobedience?

You guessed it, "bigoted" and "hateful."

Pretty soon it will be considered "bigoted" to refuse to rent a church to a same sex couple and then it will be considered "hateful" to refuse to perform a wedding ceremony for a same sex couple.

And you can stand up and applaud while the real Christians lose their religious liberty.

Because, you see. Real Christian believe what the bible says. And it is painfully clear that God says that homosexuality is a perversion.

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."
(Rom 1:26-27 NKJ)

Vile passions... shameful....error which was due....

That's how the bible describes what the law will shortly demand that everyone celebrate or be civilly penalized.

I suppose when you stand before God you will call Him a hateful bigot too, right?

 

[Lighthouse]

No, you're mixing eggs and flour. If you were there at the reception, that's celebrating. Doing your job ain't the same thing.

For that matter, supposing a gay couple doing a quick city hall marriage grabbed a cake off the shelf and mentioned "Hey, it's for our wedding, we're eloping," what then?

P.S. Are you saying craftmanship always implies "celebration" of the event or end user? What if a guy making an ice sculpture for a 50th anniversary for the Genoveses hates Italians? Is he "celebrating" their anniversary or just doing his job? What if a photographer does a shoot for a magazine and hates the subject of the cover? Is the photographer "celebrating" the subject, or just doing what he's good at? If a jeweler crafts a specialty work for a Muslim couple and detests Muslims, is she "celebrating" her customer's religion, or merely doing good work?

And so forth.

If anything, a real mercenary case could be made that taking the money from these people and putting it into your pocket is at least an economic victory for you that could be put to good use.

If the jeweler is asked by the Muslim to make a piece celebrating 9/11 and the "hero martyrs" who "sacrificed their lives" for Allah and she makes said piece, is she celebrating that event and those people and what they did?

Yeah, there is. Among other things. The fact you can't or won't see that just shows how much is wrong with you.

You need to repent.

 

[GFR7]

...and out pops the tired but typical inflamatory rhetoric, complete with the two favorite words that always get paraded around..."bigot" and "hate."

Apparently, you either celebrate homosexuality or you are a bigot. Abstaining from participation in a same sex wedding isn't an option anymore. If you are a baker, you have to bake a cake, if you are a photographer, you have to take pictures.

So the next thing coming is that if you are a pastor, you have to do the ceremony.

Yup, park your conscience at the door pastor, homosexuality must be celebrated, by law.

And you want to know what words will be trotted out to justify forcing clergy to peform same sex weddings against thier conscience or be penalized for their civil disobedience?

You guessed it, "bigoted" and "hateful."

Pretty soon it will be considered "bigoted" to refuse to rent a church to a same sex couple and then it will be considered "hateful" to refuse to perform a wedding ceremony for a same sex couple.

And you can stand up and applaud while the real Christians lose their religious liberty.

Because, you see. Real Christian believe what the bible says. And it is painfully clear that God says that homosexuality is a perversion.

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."
(Rom 1:26-27 NKJ)

Vile passions... shameful....error which was due....

That's how the bible describes what the law will shortly demand that everyone celebrate or be civilly penalized.

I suppose when you stand before God you will call Him a hateful bigot too, right?

You may as well be whistling into the wind. Every time it is pointed out that same sex marriage is a smokescreen behind which a secret agenda does its work - to stand Christianity on its head! - it is laughed off.

No matter how strongly we might protest and show them that this is what they are really doing under the banner of "equality" and "equal marriage" , it will fall on deaf ears, because they already know.

One speaks of "equality of marriage", but behind this, the instinct of revenge is playing out its deadly game.

This is their revenge, and you may as well face it: When at last it will be considered "hateful" to refuse to rent a church or give a pastor over to a gay marriage, then they will have placed themselves at last squarely in the center of the Church, in God's house, like an abomination of desolation which has the power to turn everything on its head and to revise centuries of history.

One speats of "equal rights", but THIS quest for revenge is the crux of it.

Just let them try and say they are "doing it for marriage" : To preserve marriage runs counter to their deepest will - they want the Church.

 

[Granite]

If this "agenda" is so "secret" then apparently it's the worst-concealed secret in recent memory.

As for wanting the church...

Seriously: Who would want it?

 

[Town Heretic]

You may as well be whistling into the wind. Every time it is pointed out that same sex marriage is a smokescreen behind which a secret agenda does its work - to stand Christianity on its head! - it is laughed off.

Same thing happens when you start talking about Yeti.

No matter how strongly we might protest and show them that this is what they are really doing under the banner of "equality" and "equal marriage" , it will fall on deaf ears, because they already know.

If equality before the law is the cover for conspiracy consider our founders the founders of that feast as well.

One speaks of "equality of marriage", but behind this, the instinct of revenge is playing out its deadly game.

This is their revenge, and you may as well face it: When at last it will be considered "hateful" to refuse to rent a church or give a pastor over to a gay marriage, then they will have placed themselves at last squarely in the center of the Church, in God's house, like an abomination of desolation which has the power to turn everything on its head and to revise centuries of history.

One speats of "equal rights", but THIS quest for revenge is the crux of it.

One may say it's about protecting the moral traditions of the nation, but the real motivation is hatred of the other and a desire to bring harm to the object of that hatred. It's a first step. Reestablish the inequality, then hammer on the perversion angle, dehumanize and marginalize the homosexual and, ultimately, jail and/or kill them.

See, it's easy to push a paranoid conspiracy theory if you want to. All it takes is the willingness to assume a uniformity that you can't even find in the Republican party.

 

[Granite]

Two centuries from now, when there's a female pope...well, then everyone will officially lose their composure, for whatever reason.

P.S. Especially if it's a black lesbian in a wheelchair.

 

[Angel4Truth]

If this "agenda" is so "secret" then apparently it's the worst-concealed secret in recent memory.

As for wanting the church...

Seriously: Who would want it?

Gay Couple May Sue Church Of England Following Passage Of Marriage Equality Bill

“I want to go to my church and marry my husband,” said Drewitt-Barlow in an interview published Friday (Aug. 2). “It is a shame that we are forced to take Christians into a court to get them to recognize us.”

Referring to the legislation that received the queen’s approval last month he said: “The only way forward for us now is to make a challenge in the courts against the Church.”

 

[PureX]

The choice is violate your personal religious beliefs or be sued out of business.
That is force, you moron.

No, that's not the choice. The choice is to open your business to the public, and then serve the public as promised, or open your business to select members of the public, and serve only them. You just have to be honest about it. You can't pretend to do one and then do the other. That would be dishonest.