SaulToPaul 2
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The point is:
Acts 3- sins are blotted out at the 2nd coming
Col 2- sins already blotted out for some
How do you make them the same?
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The point is:
Acts 3- sins are blotted out at the 2nd coming
Col 2- sins already blotted out for some
How do you make them the same?
Because we have Peter and Paul describing Christ Jesus fulfilling two different feasts, and for some reason you can't understand why they don't both describe the events the exact same way.
The sacrifice was for all sins for all-time.
When Christ Jesus returned in 70AD, it fulfilled the Day of Atonement. It marked a renewal of all things.
Peter described that day as when sins are blotted out.
Paul looked back at the sacrifice on the cross, and described that day as when sins were taken away.
Like I said, the sacrifice for the sins took place during Passover. The sacrifice for sins during the Day of Atonement took place that day, not on Passover.
As I have shown, Paul said "our salvation is nearer", and Paul knew he was living in the culmination of the ages, which is when Christ Jesus returned to fulfill the three fall feasts.
SaulToPaul 2
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So which is it?
By the way, one goat was sacrificed for sins, and the other goat actually "took them away".
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Indeed, this is why Peter says:
Act 3:19-21 KJV Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (20) And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: (21) Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
They are both saying the same thing.
Look what Paul said:
(Eph 4:30) And do not bring sorrow to God's Holy Spirit by the way you live. Remember, he has identified you as his own, guaranteeing that you will be saved on the day of redemption.
Notice Paul says "will be saved".
It's the blood that mattered.
The blood had to be placed on the mercy seat.
(Heb 9:12) ...he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.
Now, go back and read Eph 4:30 about the day of Redemption.
Yep.
Paul said the same thing:
(Eph 4:30) And do not bring sorrow to God's Holy Spirit by the way you live. Remember, he has identified you as his own, guaranteeing that you will be saved on the day of redemption.
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And so the story goes, you once AGAIN make an assertion that TWO things are the SAME two things without any support whatsoever. Good work.
Tellalie is the standard by which we must judge all things.
P.S. Please identify the "translation" that you quote.
There aren't "two things"
There are two men (Peter and Paul) describing one thing.
SaulToPaul 2
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No, one was to take place at the second coming, the other had already taken place.
There is no way to make them the same.
They're the same thing.
They both say the same thing. Paul is referring to the sacrifice that took place in 30AD, and Peter is referring to the fulfillment of the Day of Atonement which took place in 70AD.
How can sins be taken away at the second coming?
You would need another sacrifice in order to do so.
(Rom 13:11 KJV) And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Once again, Paul is looking forward to the coming of Christ, which was the Day of Redemption.
That's the same thing Peter said.
Paul said their salvation was "nearer".
SaulToPaul 2
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As you know,
One goat was the sacrifice for sins and the other goat "took the sins away"
Looking to the 2nd coming for the blotting out of sins and looking back to the cross for the blotting out of sins cannot coexist.
You need to rethink this one.
Tellialie/slander:"I don't know....It gets tricky....One theory is...close enough...."
SaulToPaul 2
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Technically?
In fulfilling the Day of Atonement, Christ Jesus was the High Priest, the scapegoat, and the lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world.
He fulfilled each aspect of the Day of Atonement.
Again, Peter was describing the renewal.
Peter understood that the sacrifice of Christ Jesus on the cross was for sins
(1 Peter 2:24) “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”
Liar. As you have been shown, twice, with scripture in which to soak that satanic head, the " "our salvation is nearer" had NADA to do with "soul/spiritual salvation," salvation/deliverance from the penalty of sin, as they were alreadysaved from that-"saints.". The context was their salvation/deliverance from the presence of sin, their hope of glorification, which was "nearer,"the redemption of the body, which you deny, perverter.
SaulToPaul 2
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Yep, but he also knew they would be blotted out at the second coming.
He understood (more than you) that one goat was sacrificed for the sins of the people, and another goat took the sins far away.
You need to rethink your position on this.
That was the fulfillment of the Day of Atonement.
The actual sacrifice took place 40 years earlier.
That was fulfilled in Christ Jesus
(2 Cor 5:21) God made him who had no sin to be sin for us...
All sins were laid on Christ Jesus for us.
There's nothing to think about.
Again, you have an agenda, so you have to make everything fit your Dispensationalism.
SaulToPaul 2
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Suit yourself.