Knight said:
Z Man said:
Why is it OK to you if God gives some people cancer, but not everyone?
Because God loves us.
He doesn't want bad things to happen to us He wants good things to happen to us. Why would God give people He loves cancer?
Knight,
You've opened up a can of worms with this. This is the division that seperates my beliefs from yours. Several thoughts and questions come to mind when I read what you just said. The first thing that came to my mind was, what makes you think that our physical well being is a good thing that God wants us to have? Is our physical well-being important to God's will for us? Why do you believe that it is important for God to preserve our health, and that for Him to do so is a good thing? What standard are you using to judge the preservation of our health as a good thing?
All of these questions, and more, come to mind because I believe that there are way more important things that God wants us to understand or to have than our physical well-being. For starters, looking at the life of Jesus Christ, I did not see Him uphold with great importance His physical well-being. In fact, because He gave up His health and life we can claim salvation through Him. When God converted Paul, God did not hold Paul's physical well-being in high regards. In fact, God told Ananias that He had saved Paul to make him suffer (Acts 9:16). In Paul's life, he spent a great deal of time getting beat up, stoned, and rotting away in prison cells, eventually having his head cut off. Back to Job, God had Satan attack Job and strike him with boils. Job's physical well-being, along with the health of his family, was not important to God. David's firstborn son did not live past seven days. God did not hold the boy's health of upmost importance.
There are several, thousands more examples strewed through the Bible about people who have suffered and died at the will of God. It is obvious that our physical health is not an important factor in our lives. Now I'm not consenting that we all go out and trash our health - I just think it's in error for us to place our health as an important concern for God. I believe the Bible teaches us that God's glory and grace and mercy and salvation and the lessons He teaches us in life take precedent over our physical well-being.
We shouldn't become Christians thinking that doing so means we have a great healthcare plan with God. We shouldn't look forward to a happy, healthy, suffer-free life. If anything, we should expect the opposite!
Z Man you would have us believe that God intentionally made a man go blind just so He could later heal him!
Well, God did have His Son killed so He could raise Him from the dead....
What's wrong with God creating a blind man so Jesus could come along and heal him, displaying God's glory? That was Jesus's explanation in John 9.
And then what about all the ones that aren't healed? (bummer for them!)
It would be foolish of us to say God didn't or couldn't use their blind life for His glory by other means.
The Bible tells us that because of our DISOBEDIENCE sin entered the world and therefore death and disease entered the world as well, but Z Man tells us another story. Z Man tells us there is no such thing as DISOBEDIENCE towards God and only strict OBEDIENCE towards God is possible.
To Z Man Adolf Hitler and the Apostle Paul were both equally obedient towards God. Z Man your theology flies in the face of the entire message of the Bible.
Knight,
I'd really appreciate it if you would not put words in my mouth. I've never stated such a thing, nor do I believe it. I have been on this site for nearly 5 years, and I've seen several cases where you have gotten extremely defensive when others have put words in your mouth, even to the point of banning such people. I would have a lot more respect for you if you would heed your own words.
Just answer the question!!! What do you have to lose?
Your question is irrelavent to our debate. We are debating on the issue of whether God gives people diseases or not (which has been proven Biblically that He does several posts back), not whether or not people are disobediant or not to God.
Why won't you admit after being proven wrong over and over again, that God gives people diseases, despite being obedient or not? Your stubbornness is overwhelming and disheartening.
