Are You a Judaizer?

[Elia]

:rapture: She'll see him in the air (Jn 19:37).

Bs"d

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19

 

[Elia]

Yes your right, there is only one God, I totally agree, and I love those verses in Joshua, we must choose who to obey and serve, God who takes us away from sin if we obey him, or sin which takes us away from God.

Btw, God does have sons but only one begotten son who never sinned, Christ Jesus.

Bs"d

He did sin, see here: http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm

The old testament also mentions the sons of God. In genesis, Psalms and Job.

But they are not Gods, just mighty men or angels called "sons of God".

And God has only one first born son, and that is ISRAEL:

"And Y-H-W-H said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go. 22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says Y-H-W-H: “Israel is My son, My firstborn. 23 So I say to you, let My son go that he may serve Me. But if you refuse to let him go, indeed I will kill your son, your firstborn.”
Ex 4

 

[marhig]

Bs"d

He did sin, see here: http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm



But they are not Gods, just mighty men or angels called "sons of God".

And God has only one first born son, and that is ISRAEL:

"And Y-H-W-H said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go. 22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says Y-H-W-H: “Israel is My son, My firstborn. 23 So I say to you, let My son go that he may serve Me. But if you refuse to let him go, indeed I will kill your son, your firstborn.”
Ex 4

Israel was the firstborn because their prophets had the spirit of Christ in the heart. They were Gods chosen people, chosen to know the living God. But their rulers rejected the holy son of God.

There is only one God, the God Almighty and Jesus isn't God.

Secondly, I'm just going through your reasons for why you say Jesus was false

Eating kosher food, didn't Jesus say that David ate the shewbread in the temple so is that ok?

1 Samuel 21:6

So the priest gave him hallowed*bread: for there was no bread there but the shewbread, that was taken from before the LORD, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away.

There is the scripture about those who hate their mother and father before me, are not worthy of me. Do you understand what he means?

Those who put their parents before the will of God, are not worthy of Christ. , when he was preaching, did he put his mother's and brothers who were standing outside before God? No, he said those who do the will of my father are my brethren and my mother.

Jesus also said he has come to bring a sword to set families at variance with each other

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

And I've experienced this, the sword is the word of God, and I've brought the word of God to my family, some argue with me but I know it's the truth and that God is there. Jesus didn't mean that we should dishonour our parents, but that we should put God first.


The Sabbath is made for man to rest, but Gods people must carry on doing Gods work, even if it is the Sabbath. Would you help anyone who needed medical help if it was the Sabbath? or just carry on resting because it is the Sabbath? Jesus didn't do his will on the Sabbath, but his father's will, to judge him for healing is a sin against God, because he would have needed Gods power to heal, so God must have been with him.

I'm confused at some, worshipping statues of stone? Where? Can you show me the scripture please.

Learning witchcraft in Egypt? What? He left there when he was a toddler.

Sexually immoral? Where do you get that from and why would you think that?

Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God, if you can't see that Jesus came from God through the gospels then you're blind Elia. Your heart is hard against Jesus, I can see that in what you write about him, may God forgive you for the insults that you have hurled against him.

 

[Elia]

Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God, if you can't see that Jesus came from God through the gospels then you're blind Elia. Your heart is hard against Jesus, I can see that in what you write about him, may God forgive you for the insults that you have hurled against him.

Bs"d

If you cannot see that he didn't fulfil the messianic prophecies, then you are struck with blindness.

If you cannot understand that a "God the Father" and a "god the son" is TWO (2) gods, then you cannot count to two.



"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19

 

[marhig]

Elia, there is no God the son in the Bible. Jesus isn't God. And I believe he did fulfill the prophesies but spiritually. And God has to give you the eyes to see that.

 

[Epoisses]

Elia, there is no God the son in the Bible. Jesus isn't God. And I believe he did fulfill the prophesies but spiritually. And God has to give you the eyes to see that.

You should have the decency to keep your beliefs to yourself.

 

[marhig]

You should have the decency to keep your beliefs to yourself.

Do you keep your beliefs to yourself? If I believed like you, I think maybe you would want me to post then?

I don't see the scriptures the same as many here, but I don't say to them that they shouldn't post, we all have freewill and God judges all of our hearts.

Some people just see the natural, but God is spirit and there is a spiritual meaning to the Bible. For instance, there is a spiritual temple which is our bodies and a natural temple. But some can't see that our bodies are a spiritual temple and that we are the temple of the living God, I don't mean to be disrespectful, I just mean that God has to show you these things and open our eyes to them, as Jesus said those who have ears hear. And with all due respect. I believe Jesus is the Christ the son of the living God, Elia calls him a dead carpenter and false Messiah, who, because it's been said that he made himself God,(which he didn't) he deserved to die! I don't tell Elia to keep his/her beliefs to themselves. Although I absolutely disagree with them. Because I know, that Jesus is absolutely the son of God, he is the Christ and I have faith in him.

 

[Elia]

Elia, there is no God the son in the Bible. Jesus isn't God. And I believe he did fulfill the prophesies but spiritually.

Bs"d

Saying he "fulfilled the prophecies spiritually" is a complicated way of saying he didn't fulfil them.

Therefore he was just another failed messiah.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19

 

[marhig]

Bs"d

Saying he "fulfilled the prophecies spiritually" is a complicated way of saying he didn't fulfil them.

Therefore he was just another failed messiah.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19

You must believe what to will, but he did fulfill them.

 

[Elia]

You must believe what to will, but he did fulfill them.

Bs"d

Who and what is the messiah? Let us check according to the Holy Hebrew scriptures what the messiah is supposed to do. .......

Micha 5:2-9; "But thou Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for NOW shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders. And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men. And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off."

Here we have very clearly physical redemption from earthly enemies: "And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword", "Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off." These are very clear verses that can not be misinterpreted; when the messiah comes the Jewish enemies are going to be slaughtered. And the one coming forth from Bethlehem is to be a ruler in Israel, that is a king, or maybe nowadays a president, but not a wandering preacher and miracle healer.

Zacheriah 9:9-10; "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an a-ss, and upon a colt the foal of an a-ss. And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth."

They say that he did ride on a donkey, like the whole Middle East in those days, but that is where it stops. He did not bring any peace, the battle bow, the horses and the chariots, symbols of war, were not cut off from Jerusalem, and his dominion was not from sea to sea and to the ends of the earth; as a matter of fact, he did not have any dominion at all.

In order to get around this problem, the Christian church invented the "second coming". However, nowhere in the Hebrew scriptures is it written that the messiah would come once, get himself killed, and come again in a second coming. This is a pure rationalization of Jesus' failure to function in any way as a messiah. Nowhere in any of the above prophecies does it indicate that there will be a gap of at least 2000 years between the birth of the messiah and the redemption. Nowhere does it speak about a messiah being tortured to death and coming back thousands of years later.

Jeremiah 23:5-6; "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."

Jeremiah 33:14-16: "IN THOSE DAYS AND AT THAT TIME, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. IN THOSE DAYS shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness."

When the branch of righteousness springs forth to David, when the messiah comes, THEN, IN THOSE DAYS, Judah will be saved and Jerusalem shall dwell safely. That means that it is impossible to squeeze in two thousand or more years between the coming of the messiah and the redemption of Judah and Jerusalem. Out goes the 'second coming'. However, there wasn't any redemption in the days of Jesus. Forty years after his death, in 70 CE, Jerusalem was totally destroyed by the Romans, the second Temple was burned down, and the Jews exiled. No way that the above prophecy was fulfilled.

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Isaiah 11; "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious."

Also here we have a messiah who is going to kill the evil people: "And he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." And after that we get the better world, when it says: "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them etc." This is what is supposed to happen, as soon as there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse (the father of King David) and a Branch shall grow out of his roots; that is as soon as the messiah comes. Nowhere here is mentioned that the messiah will be killed and that these prophecies will happen at least 2000 years later. On the contrary; when the messiah comes redemption comes. And also for this messianic prophecy you don't have to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist in order to see that it is not fulfilled. Nothing of this all was done by Jesus. Conclusion: He was not the messiah.

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19

 

[marhig]

Bs"d

Who and what is the messiah? Let us check according to the Holy Hebrew scriptures what the messiah is supposed to do. .......

Micha 5:2-9; "But thou Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for NOW shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders. And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men. And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off."

Here we have very clearly physical redemption from earthly enemies: "And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword", "Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off." These are very clear verses that can not be misinterpreted; when the messiah comes the Jewish enemies are going to be slaughtered. And the one coming forth from Bethlehem is to be a ruler in Israel, that is a king, or maybe nowadays a president, but not a wandering preacher and miracle healer.

Zacheriah 9:9-10; "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an a-ss, and upon a colt the foal of an a-ss. And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth."

They say that he did ride on a donkey, like the whole Middle East in those days, but that is where it stops. He did not bring any peace, the battle bow, the horses and the chariots, symbols of war, were not cut off from Jerusalem, and his dominion was not from sea to sea and to the ends of the earth; as a matter of fact, he did not have any dominion at all.

In order to get around this problem, the Christian church invented the "second coming". However, nowhere in the Hebrew scriptures is it written that the messiah would come once, get himself killed, and come again in a second coming. This is a pure rationalization of Jesus' failure to function in any way as a messiah. Nowhere in any of the above prophecies does it indicate that there will be a gap of at least 2000 years between the birth of the messiah and the redemption. Nowhere does it speak about a messiah being tortured to death and coming back thousands of years later.

Jeremiah 23:5-6; "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."

Jeremiah 33:14-16: "IN THOSE DAYS AND AT THAT TIME, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. IN THOSE DAYS shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness."

When the branch of righteousness springs forth to David, when the messiah comes, THEN, IN THOSE DAYS, Judah will be saved and Jerusalem shall dwell safely. That means that it is impossible to squeeze in two thousand or more years between the coming of the messiah and the redemption of Judah and Jerusalem. Out goes the 'second coming'. However, there wasn't any redemption in the days of Jesus. Forty years after his death, in 70 CE, Jerusalem was totally destroyed by the Romans, the second Temple was burned down, and the Jews exiled. No way that the above prophecy was fulfilled.

.

Isaiah 11; "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious."

Also here we have a messiah who is going to kill the evil people: "And he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." And after that we get the better world, when it says: "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them etc." This is what is supposed to happen, as soon as there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse (the father of King David) and a Branch shall grow out of his roots; that is as soon as the messiah comes. Nowhere here is mentioned that the messiah will be killed and that these prophecies will happen at least 2000 years later. On the contrary; when the messiah comes redemption comes. And also for this messianic prophecy you don't have to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist in order to see that it is not fulfilled. Nothing of this all was done by Jesus. Conclusion: He was not the messiah.

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19

Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off

God gives us his word by the spirit that is our weapon, and with it we will cut off our enemies, the sword is a two edged sword, as it not only is used to fight others but it pierces circumscises our own hearts also, putting the enemy which is Satan, to death within us.

Isaiah is talking about Jesus Christ who is the Messiah and he has the word of God.

and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

Revelation 2

Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Jesus was full of the holy spirit and full of the word of God, and he was putting to death the enemies of God with the sword of the spirit. They couldn't overcome him because he was too strong for them

And he will give us the sword also and strengthen those who truly belong to him.

Ephesians 6

Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, AND THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT, WHICH IS THE WORD OF GOD.

Israel aren't those who are born of the flesh of Israel but of the seed. And all those who are circumcised of the heart by the holy spirit are Israel. Those doing the will of God the father and not the will of the flesh. And Christ though his people is gathering them all in, and bringing them back to the father. Sons and daughters who were dead, but they are alive again through Jesus Christ the son of the living God!

Romans 9

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham,are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Christ's war isn't a carnal war, but a war against Satan. God is spirit, and Gods children are covered for spiritual warfare, not to war on the flesh. And Jesus came in peace and showed us to love like enemies but to fight Satan, within our own hearts by denying ourselves and letting God do his work within and within others with the word of God.

Jesus Christ has redeemed me, he's showed me the way back God through his life and he's saved me. Being a perfect example for me to follow. He has by the spirit of God been putting to death my enemies with my own heart and he's giving me the strength to overcome thus saving me from Satan every day, so long as I obey the living God and keep my faith. And I have a peace in my heart, that I have never felt before. I know that God is living, and that his son has saved me and he has given me rest and Gods rest is glorious and I feel free after entering in.

Hebrews 4

Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his..Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[Robert Pate]

Bs'd

In the beginning of Christianity, somewhere in the third century, a Biblical scholar reared his head, his name was Sabelius, and he claimed that the Christian God, the father, son, and holy ghost, were three different manifestations of of the same God, just like steam, water, and ice, are three manifestations of one substance; H2O.

The result of this brilliant insight was that he was branded a heretic, and excommunicated. Then already the church realized that this is impossible.
When you say that it is all the same God, only in a different form, then you say that God is his own son, and at the same time his own father.

Then when Christ prays to his father, God is praying to himself.

Luke 22:41-42; Christ is praying, "saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."
So here God had a different will than himself?

Even in heaven Christ is subjugated to the father according to 1 Corr 15:28, Matthew 20:23, Fill 2:9.
So God is subjugated to himself?


When Christ was hanging on the cross, he cried out: "My God, my God, why did you forsake me?"
Did God forsake himself?

Col 3:1; "keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God."
God is sitting on his own right hand?

God died on the cross, slaughtered by his creatures?
If so, who resurrected him?

The theory of Sabelius is impossible.



"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever."
Micah 4:5

To reject Christ is to sentence yourself to hell.

 

[Elia]

Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off

God gives us his word by the spirit that is our weapon, and with it we will cut off our enemies, the sword is a two edged sword, as it not only is used to fight others but it pierces circumscises our own hearts also, putting the enemy which is Satan, to death within us.

Isaiah is talking about Jesus Christ who is the Messiah and he had the word of God.

and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

Bs"d

Are you not capable of seeing that the messianic prophecies are not fulfilled? Not by your messiah and not by anybody else?

"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever."
Micah 4:5

 

[marhig]

Bs"d

Are you not capable of seeing that the messianic prophecies are not fulfilled? Not by your messiah and not by anybody else?

"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever."
Micah 4:5

And if you can't see that Jesus is from God, then you still have the veil covering your heart.

I can see clearly that Jesus is the Messiah and that he is anointed of God!

 

[Elia]

To reject Christ is to sentence yourself to hell.

Bs"d

Please explain; why should I take that statement seriously?

"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever."
Micah 4:5

 

[Elia]

And if you can't see that Jesus is from God, then you still have the veil covering your heart.

I can see clearly that Jesus is the Messiah and that he is anointed of God!

Bs'd

I can clearly see that he didn't fulfil the messianic prophecies, and I also see he was never anointed by a priest of prophet to be king, so he was no anointed; no messiah.

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19

 

[Robert Pate]

Bs'd

I can clearly see that he didn't fulfil the messianic prophecies, and I also see he was never anointed by a priest of prophet to be king, so he was no anointed; no messiah.

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19

Without faith in Christ you are lost. You apparently think that the New Testament is a sham. Jesus is God incarnate in human flesh. Without him you have no savior.

 

[jamie]

Jesus is God incarnate in human flesh.

Yes, Jesus had to be made like his brethren in every respect. (Hebrews 2:17 ESV)

 

[Elia]

Without faith in Christ you are lost. You apparently think that the New Testament is a sham. Jesus is God incarnate in human flesh. Without him you have no savior.

Bs"d

Jews don't reject their savior, but they have only one savior, and that is not JC but Y-H-W-H:


My Savior is Y-H-W-H:

Isaiah 43: 3: "For I am Y-H-W-H thy God, the Holy one of Israel, thy saviour."

Isaiah 43:10-11: "Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me, even I, I am Y-H-W-H, and beside Me there is no saviour."

Isaiah 45:21-22: "... I Y-H-W-H, and there is no God else beside Me, a just God and a saviour, there is no saviour beside Me. Look unto Me and be you saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God and there is none else."

Hosea 13: 4: "Yet I am Y-H-W-H thy God, and thou shall know no God but Me, for there is no saviour beside Me."

"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever."
Micah 4:5

 

[WonderfulLordJesus]

Jews don't reject their savior, but they have only one savior, and that is not JC but...

It was, in fact, Jews who brought the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, yes, very God in the flesh, to the world. So, you should say some Jews don't believe Jesus Christ is their Savior. In truth, the Jews with eyes to see have seen the Lord Jesus throughout Old Testament scripture and very explicit prophecy fulfilled, many so-called Messianic Jews the past couple thousand years and in our day, who, incidentally, understand the Old Testament, which you clearly don't.

You'd therefore be better spoken to tell Christians you're with the religion of the Scribes and Pharisees who wanted the Lord Jesus crucified, who did not even know their God, when He was standing before them. Also, according to the New Testament, and a Pharisee, a master of the law, you're not even a real Jew, are rather nothing, spiritually, and this stated by one who surely forgot more about Judaism than you know, that is, Paul, re: Romans 2:28-29.

So, you'd do well to avoid boasting and wrailing against the Lord Jesus in Christian company, as you put yourself in a group the Lord Jesus spoke to in Matthew 23, and it's not pretty, not anything to be proud of.

Also, and this is just the truth, meant for your benefit, if you don't repent and believe in the blood of Lord Jesus for remission of your sins and salvation, you are going to go to eternal hell, the only God you ever come to know the One who will damn you, that same Lord Jesus, for your unbelief and rejection of your only God and Savior.