Answering old threads thread

[Arthur Brain]

I think he's speaking of this:
1 Corinthians 7:6 (KJV) But I speak this by permission, [and] not of commandment. The question would follow as to which of the preceding verses it applies. Surely it doesn't apply to vs 5, making it merely a suggestion not to defraud one's spouse. Can you imagine Paul saying, "God says it's ok to defraud your spouse, but I don't think it's a good idea."

Can you imagine Paul saying that it's a good idea for a husband to force his unwilling wife into sex?

"Defraud"? Wow, the lengths some of you lot go to to justify this garbage...

 

[Derf]

Ironic that you talk about my wanting to impose stuff on everyone else when I'm categorically against the notion of husbands having the right to force themselves on their wives. There's also the law that I didn't set that considers rape a crime including in marriage so hey...

But is that law correct? Or are you willing to accept any law on the books? What if your city council decided to punish someone caught in adultery with death?

 

[Arthur Brain]

But is that law correct? Or are you willing to accept any law on the books? What if your city council decided to punish someone caught in adultery with death? FBbfb

Rape is indefensible so of course it is. That was easy. Some wingnuts on here advocate that adultery should be a capital crime and via stoning so of course not. There'd be no way any council would even go near that so kinda moot.

 

[ok doser]

I think he's speaking of this:
1 Corinthians 7:6 (KJV) But I speak this by permission, [and] not of commandment. The question would follow as to which of the preceding verses it applies. Surely it doesn't apply to vs 5, making it merely a suggestion not to defraud one's spouse. Can you imagine Paul saying, "God says it's ok to defraud your spouse, but I don't think it's a good idea."

I always read that in the context of all of Corinthians 7, in which his greater advice is to abstain from entering into marriage altogether, ie abstain from marriage if you can, and if you can't follow these guidelines.

I often consider this with Moses allowing divorce and Jesus's commentary on it

 

[Derf]

Can you imagine Paul saying that it's a good idea for a husband to force his unwilling wife into sex?

"Defraud"? Wow, the lengths some of you lot go to to justify this garbage...

You still haven't explained why your garbage is any better than Paul's.

 

[Derf]

Rape is indefensible so of course it is. That was easy. Some wingnuts on here advocate that adultery should be a capital crime and via stoning so of course not. There'd be no way any council would even go near that so kinda moot.

Adultery is indefensible too, don't you think?

 

[Arthur Brain]

You still haven't explained why your garbage is any better than Paul's.

Paul doesn't advocate or defend what you're positing anyway. So that's once again moot.

Simple really Derf. If you love and cherish someone then you don't force yourself on them and you also don't try and reason some twisted way to justify doing so either.

 

[Derf]

I always read that in the context of all of Corinthians 7, in which his greater advice is to abstain from entering into marriage altogether, ie abstain from marriage if you can, and if you can't follow these guidelines.

I often consider this with Moses allowing divorce and Jesus's commentary on it

David stopped having sex with Michal after she derided his dancing. Was he right or wrong?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Adultery is indefensible too, don't you think?

Don't condone it but it's understandable at times. Given what's been posited here at times I can sure understand why wives leave their husbands by way of...

 

[Derf]

Paul doesn't advocate or defend what you're positing anyway.

Prove it. Surely you have a bible. If not, go to blb.org. They have several versions to pick from.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Prove it. Surely you have a bible. If not, go to blb.org. They have several versions to pick from.

Prove what? How Paul doesn't condone a husband forcing himself on his wife or even allude to that being okay in a loving marriage? Are you kidding me?

 

[Hoping]

David stopped having sex with Michal after she derided his dancing. Was he right or wrong?

David was a man who walked in the flesh.
(Walking in the Spirit wasn't widely available till the resurrection of Christ.)
His decision was based on the flesh.
The answer to your question, however, is "wrong", in either testament.

If a husband resorts to forced sex, he too is walking in the flesh.
He needs to be converted to Christianity, which is based on love in the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Derf]

Prove what? How Paul doesn't condone a husband forcing himself on his wife or even allude to that being okay in a loving marriage? Are you kidding me?

Nope, not kidding.

 

[Derf]

David was a man who walked in the flesh.
(Walking in the Spirit wasn't widely available till the resurrection of Christ.)
His decision was based on the flesh.
The answer to your question, however, is "wrong", in either testament.

If a husband resorts to forced sex, he too is walking in the flesh.
He needs to be converted to Christianity, which is based on love in the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Why would a husband ever need to resort to forced sex?

 

[ok doser]

Why would a husband ever need to resort to forced sex?

Bingo

In a Christian marriage he wouldn't

 

[Hoping]

Why would a husband ever need to resort to forced sex?

A husband that walks in the flesh is capable of every imaginable wickedness.
It is far better to marry someone that walks in the Spirit.
That brings to mind 1 Cor 7:39..."The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord."

 

[Derf]

A husband that walks in the flesh is capable of every imaginable wickedness.
It is far better to marry someone that walks in the Spirit.
That brings to mind 1 Cor 7:39..."The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord."

You didn't answer my question. If he's "resorting" to forced sex, then he must have tried other things already.

Are you suggesting the wife should first cause her husband to "resort" to forced sex, then kill him so she can remarry? That's a weird take on that scripture.

 

[Hoping]

You didn't answer my question.

I'm sure there is at least a short list of reasons, but all of them are based on the flesh.
It would be non-Christian behavior.

If he's "resorting" to forced sex, then he must have tried other things already.

Who knows?

Are you suggesting the wife should first cause her husband to "resort" to forced sex, then kill him so she can remarry? That's a weird take on that scripture.

LOL.
Not at all.
I recommend you get some rest and come back to this tomorrow if it is so important to you to find a reason to force anyone to have sex.

 

[glorydaz]

Are you saying that women determine what is right vs wrong in a marriage?

You folks must be very bored. LOL

 

[Rusha]

Ironic that you talk about my wanting to impose stuff on everyone else when I'm categorically against the notion of husbands having the right to force themselves on their wives. There's also the law that I didn't set that considers rape a crime including in marriage so hey...

Yep, unfortunately it’s not a DP offense as all rape should be.