Derf
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So Paul of Tarsus was a wing nut?
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Arthur Brain
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Nope.
According to HER. The unfortunate wife married to a sexually deviant pig. A violent husband who is worse than Bill Cosby.
ok doser
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Praying for God to release you from the grips of the demons that possess you
Derf
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Are you saying that women determine what is right vs wrong in a marriage?
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Arthur Brain
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They have the right not to be raped by their husbands, that's for sure.
To pick up further in regards to your comment about Paul, from what I recall in the epistles, he encourages not to marry but it's better to do so than to burn with passion so it's kinda a select audience he's addressing. Furthermore, I don't remember there being anything about it being loving and cherishing to force a spouse into sex if unwilling either.
If you had a clue and actually loved and cherished your partner in a relationship you would want them to be a willing participant, simple as.
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You will never be able to make this understandable to a non-Christian. Or a feminist. But I repeat myself.
Yes.
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Derf
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What about Paul's comments I mentioned?
And the question, if I remember correctly, was whether the Bible sanctions marital rape. My answer, using Paul's words, was that the spouse has the authority over the other's body with regard to sex. It's not a question of willingness once they are united (note that word) in marriage. Willingness is decided at that point, not each and every time someone gets feisty. Oneness is defined by Paul in this way--there is no such thing as "marital rape". It's an oxymoron.
ok doser
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I cor. 7 does not canonize new law. It's advice.
Denying one's spouse without cause is foolish and will have undesirable consequences but it is not expressly forbidden.
If someone is denying their spouse long term and without cause, it would be grounds for divorce, not rape.
Arthur Brain
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Which ones would those be?
The Bible doesn't sanction rape of any sort as far as I'm aware and if you think you have authority over your wife's body to do as you please when you see fit then you're missing the loving and cherishing part of the union. If your wife is unwilling to engage in coitus with you then you respect that and hey, sulk a bit if ya like but you don't have the right to force her into intercourse, period. There is such a thing as marital rape, fact.
Get a grip.
Arthur Brain
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Gotta be the shortest post I've ever seen from you but no need for any other words to be written. Absolutely.
Arthur Brain
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Unfortunately you're talking to some who "think" that rape cannot occur in a "Christian" marriage.
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Is it inspired by God?
Derf
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Can you find one of those places where rape is condemned? Do any of those speak of husband and wife as the participants?
How would you know what a "grip" looks like? Your own personal law code? You have no critiqueable or even accessible source of ethics, yet you want to impose that on everybody else.
Arthur Brain
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Ironic that you talk about my wanting to impose stuff on everyone else when I'm categorically against the notion of husbands having the right to force themselves on their wives. There's also the law that I didn't set that considers rape a crime including in marriage so hey...
Derf
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I think he's speaking of this:
1 Corinthians 7:6 (KJV) But I speak this by permission, [and] not of commandment. The question would follow as to which of the preceding verses it applies. Surely it doesn't apply to vs 5, making it merely a suggestion not to defraud one's spouse. Can you imagine Paul saying, "God says it's ok to defraud your spouse, but I don't think it's a good idea."