Answering old threads thread

[Arthur Brain]

False, on both counts.

To be fair I should have been a bit more specific in retrospect although the context was still easily enough read. In a loving relationship nobody would regard their partner as their property or whatever anyway and would in no way, shape or form, force sex onto them.

 

[JudgeRightly]

To be fair I should have been a bit more specific in retrospect although the context was still easily enough read. In a loving relationship nobody would regard their partner as their property or whatever anyway and would in no way, shape or form, force sex onto them.

In a loving relationship, both husband and wife would consider themselves the property of the other, because the wife would "the husband's wife," and the husband would be "the wife's husband."

Do you see the apostrophe-S after each of those words? That indicates possession. Possession, as in, the ownership of property.

 

[Idolater]

Idolater's sister isn't Idolater's property, she is Idolater's family.

 

[Arthur Brain]

In a loving relationship, both husband and wife would consider themselves the property of the other, because the wife would "the husband's wife," and the husband would be "the wife's husband."

Do you see the apostrophe-S after each of those words? That indicates possession. Possession, as in, the ownership of property.

Don't try and pen romance novels as a career move whatever you do JR...

Uh, yah, I saw the apostrophes, duh. Shame you can't 'read between the lines' and recognize that a loving relationship is not about possession or ownership in a literal sense.

 

[glorydaz]

You might as well ask if a Christian husband has the right to corporally discipline his Christian wife if she has an abortion. The very terms Christian marriage and abortion are mutually exclusive.

That speaks volumes. Such a lack of knowledge concerning the marriage relationship is nearly impossible to believe.

 

[glorydaz]

By whose decision? Yours? Since when do you make the rules? You say I can't give myself to my wife?

If you gave yourself to your wife, she would be your boss. I like that one.

 

[Derf]

How about hers? If she says no to sex and you force yourself on her regardless despite her protestations then please explain what this "something else" is other than rape and also how such an act is somehow loving and cherishing your wife.

Why would you assume I'd do that?

 

[Derf]

If you gave yourself to your wife, she would be your boss. I like that one.

Yes...over my body, at least in regard to sex.

 

[glorydaz]

I'm going to rely on God's Word

When you rely on your interpretation of God's Word, you do error.

When you make the claim that a wife is the husband's property, you prove you don't know the meaning of "ONE FLESH".

 

[glorydaz]

Why would you assume I'd do that?

Silly. You've been claiming the right to do exactly that. Whether you would actually do it or not has nothing to do with the argument being presented.

 

[glorydaz]

Yes...over my body, at least in regard to sex.

Lust of the flesh.

Again, no understanding of a Christian marriage.

 

[Rusha]

How about hers? If she says no to sex and you force yourself on her regardless despite her protestations then please explain what this "something else" is other than rape and also how such an act is somehow loving and cherishing your wife.

Listening to the belittling and disregard for women by some certainly makes a good argument against marriage …

 

[ok doser]

When you rely on your interpretation of God's Word, you do error.

What is your scriptural support for that statement?

 

[ok doser]

When you make the claim that a wife is the husband's property ...

That's half of the claim and it's dishonest of you to pretend that it isn't

I would advise you to pray fervently in hopes that God will help you understand why you are misrepresenting people's positions here

 

[ok doser]

That speaks volumes.

It does to those who understand what I was doing. I was paralleling the two ridiculous scenarios.

Scenario one: In a Christian marriage, is it acceptable for a spouse to force sex on a partner who denies it

Is a parallel to

Scenario two: In a Christian marriage is it acceptable for a spouse to corporally punish a partner who murders their unborn child

None of the four actions are acceptable. None of the four actions are elements of a Christian marriage. If they are present, you are talking about something other than a Christian marriage.

Such a lack of knowledge concerning the marriage relationship is nearly impossible to believe.

yawn

strawman based on your misunderstanding of what I stated

 

[Derf]

To be fair I should have been a bit more specific in retrospect although the context was still easily enough read. In a loving relationship nobody would regard their partner as their property or whatever anyway and would in no way, shape or form, force sex onto them.

In a loving relationship there is no need to use force, because neither party is unrighteously holding back what belongs to the other.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Why would you assume I'd do that?

I would very much hope you wouldn't but you're the one who's been prattling on about how it somehow isn't rape and whatnot.

 

[Arthur Brain]

In a loving relationship there is no need to use force, because neither party is unrighteously holding back what belongs to the other.

There's no excusable reason to use force regardless, period. A husbands wife is not obliged to give him sex on tap.

 

[Derf]

A husbands wife is not obliged to give him sex on tap.

According to you, o great lawgiver.

 

[Arthur Brain]

According to you, o great lawgiver.

According to any none wingnut.