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God's Truth

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Watch...here comes the you really don't understand the trinity reply nonsense...

Jesus is the I Am of the Old Testament.

The I Am God the Father in the Old Testament is Jesus.
 

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Then you now finally admit Jesus is the Father?
NO!!! Jesus is the SON of HIS FATHER.

Jesus was WITH HIS FATHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. Jesus did NOT "become the Son" at His physical birth.

Of course, because they are one and one means the same.
NO.... it does NOT mean "the same". You continue to tell your lies.

I give many scriptures often. Which statement would you like a scripture for again?
Try this one: The I Am in the Old Testament is GOD THE FATHER.

The I AM is GOD... plain and simple (and yet beyond your understanding).
 

God's Truth

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NO!!! Jesus is the SON of HIS FATHER.
You just said that was Jesus too as I Am the Father.

Jesus was WITH HIS FATHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. Jesus did NOT "become the Son" at His physical birth.

They are ALWAYS together and they are the same.

The trinity doctrine says they are separate and different .

Jesus is exactly like the Father; the one and only God, who is the Father.

NO.... it does NOT mean "the same". You continue to tell your lies.

The untruthful doctrine to teach is to teach the Father and Son are different and separate.
Try this one: The I Am in the Old Testament is GOD THE FATHER.

So are you claiming God in the Old Testament is not called 'Father'?

Let's get that clear before we talk more about it.

So again, are you claiming God in the Old Testament is not called the Father?

The I AM is GOD... plain and simple (and yet beyond your understanding).

You are wrong about me not having understanding.

You are the one who let Catholics teach you about the trinity doctrine, then teach how it can't really be explained.
 

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You just said that was Jesus too as I Am the Father.
Get over your FALSE doctrine.

Jesus is GOD.... GOD is the I AM.

Do you know who the angel of the LORD is?

They are ALWAYS together and they are the same.
NO, THEY ARE NOT. The THREE are ONE.

The trinity doctrine says they are separate and different .
NO, IT DOES NOT. It says that the THREE ARE ONE.

Jesus is exactly like the Father; the one and only God, who is the Father.
Constantly repeating falsehoods does not make them come true.

The ONE God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The untruthful doctrine to teach is to teach the Father and Son are different and separate.
The are BOTH GOD. One is the Father and one is the Son. A son is not his own father.

So are you claiming God in the Old Testament is not called 'Father'?
God in the Old Testament is .... FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT.

Let's get that clear before we talk more about it.

So again, are you claiming God in the Old Testament is not called the Father?
The first time, in scripture, that God calls Himself "I AM", it is the ANGEL OF THE LORD... that is Christ.

You are wrong about me not having understanding.
No, I'm right.

You are the one who let Catholics teach you about the trinity doctrine, then teach how it can't really be explained.
Lies... you just keep telling lies.
 

oatmeal

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Another interesting statement is concerning how many animals did Moses take on the ark with him.

How many of each kind of animal did Moses take on the ark with him?
 

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Get over your FALSE doctrine.

Jesus is GOD.... GOD is the I AM.

So is that God the Father I Am in the Old Testament, yes or no?

Do you know who the angel of the LORD is?
Do you?
NO, THEY ARE NOT. The THREE are ONE.
They are three in one, so then why do you get mad when I say Jesus is the one and only God who is the Father?
NO, IT DOES NOT. It says that the THREE ARE ONE.
The trinity doctrine SAYS THEYARE DIFFERENT AND SEPARATE.
Constantly repeating falsehoods does not make them come true.
So why do you keep doing that?

The ONE God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

God is the one and only God and He IS the Father.

The are BOTH GOD. One is the Father and one is the Son. A son is not his own father.
GOD IS THE FATHER!

They are both God, you say. That is right. God IS THE FATHER. That makes God the Father come as a son, and not three different and separate persons together making a God.

God in the Old Testament is .... FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT.

That’s right; they are one and the same.

See how when you are taken to the limit of your false trinity doctrine you have to say what I have been saying.

Don’t you notice that whenever I say that about JESUS in the NEW TESTAMENT---WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE FATHER IN THE OLD TESTAMENT---you nut up.

The first time, in scripture, that God calls Himself "I AM", it is the ANGEL OF THE LORD... that is Christ.
Give the scripture that says the angel is called I Am.


No, I'm right.

Let’s see how much understanding you have when you prove the angle is I Am and not God the Father being the one who is I Am.


Lies... you just keep telling lies.
You don’t even know that the Catholics came up with the trinity doctrine.
 

oatmeal

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So, how many of the seven days of creation did God actually create something?

For that matter, did God actually restore and fix and correct things on all seven days?

No, God rested on the seventh day. His work was done on the sixth day.

Genesis 1:1-2:

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.



Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


There were not seven days of creation. God rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.


Did God create on all those six days?

If indeed the popular thought is right, then yes, but

What saith the scripture?

Genesis 1:1 is counted by some to be in the first evening and morning

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

That is a discussion for another time.



To answer this question, we must first decide if we believe God knows what He is talking about.

We must decide if Moses was given the truth by God to write down as the word of God.

We must decide if God means what he says and says what he means.

If we do not believe the Bible is literally the word of God, then we are not discussing anything worth discussing.

If we do believe that the Bible is the word of God, then we must decide if each individual word is the word of God, and not only so but we must decide if every jot and tittle is the word of God.

if we believe each word is God's choice of words then we must read carefully each word that is before us as we read scripture.


Did God create light? or did He simply speak so that light appeared?

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

The word "create' does not appear in that verse, so to change the word "said" into the word create is to deny that God knows what He did and it denies that God knows what He is talking about.

Did God create a division between the light and darkness?

No, He did not.

He divided the light from the darkness

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.


Note carefully, there are only three verses in the record in Genesis of God creating.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:21
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


What saith the scripture about how many times God created in this record?

Three and only three acts of creation.

In all other instances he did some other action.

He said, divided, made, called, let, set, etc.


What does scripture say about how many acts of creation did God do in Genesis 1:1-2:

Scripture says three acts of creation
 

7djengo7

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Is it false?

Is what false? What (if any) proposition are you asking me about? To what (if any) proposition are referring by your pronoun, "it".

or is it true?

Is what true? What (if any) proposition are you asking me about? To what (if any) proposition are you referring by your pronoun, "it".

I do not see how you can have it both ways.

Have what "both ways"? Please specify to what (if anything) you are referring by your pronoun, "it".

How do you justify your contradictory statements?

To which (if any) things are you referring, here, calling them "contradictory statements"? List them.
 

7djengo7

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What (if anything) do you mean by your phrase, "personal Name"?
Please cite where, in the Bible, you imagine you have learned that "the word Yahweh is the personal Name of the One God, God the Father".

Yes Yahweh is Lord. Please note above what you quote as “O Lord (Adonai) God” is actually Adonai Yahweh. Jesus addresses God His Father as “Lord” in the following:

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth

You fail, yet again. Jesus nowhere addresses God the Father as "my Lord", nor does He ever refer to God the Father by the phrase, "my Lord". In fact, repeatedly Jesus refers to God the Father as "my Father" and as "my Father which is in heaven"; but nowhere does He refer to, or address, God the Father as "my Lord".

If Yahweh is Lord of heaven and earth then he is everyone’s Lord, whether they acknowledge it or not.

What (if anything) is your point? Since Jesus is YHWH, Jesus is Lord of heaven and earth.

Yes to both.

Which one of your two Lords (your "Lords many") do you love? The one you call "God the Father", or the one you call "Jesus"?
Which one of your two Lords (your "Lords many") do you hate? The one you call "God the Father", or the one you call "Jesus"?

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.

Either you hate the thing you call "God the Father" and "Lord", and love the thing you call "Jesus" and "Lord", or vice versa.

One thing is clear, however: You love neither Him whom Scripture calls "God the Father", nor Him whom Scripture calls "Jesus", since He whom Scripture calls "God the Father" is, according to Scripture, one and the same Lord (though not one and the same person) with He whom Scripture calls "God the Father".

Christians do not have the insuperable difficulties you have, here, because, unlike you, Christians believe the Bible's testimony that Jesus and God the Father are one and the same Lord.
 

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So is that God the Father I Am in the Old Testament, yes or no?
I AM is GOD... Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

That's a dumb question. Of course I do and apparently you do not.

They are three in one, so then why do you get mad when I say Jesus is the one and only God who is the Father?
I don't get mad... perhaps irritated at your stubborn willful disregard for what scripture actually says.

The trinity doctrine SAYS THEYARE DIFFERENT AND SEPARATE.
NO IT DOESN'T. It says that the THREE ARE ONE.

I notice that you ignore 99% of what I write.

The FIRST instance in the BIBLE of someone calling themselves I AM is the angel of the LORD. Go learn who the angel of the LORD is.
 

God's Truth

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I AM is GOD... Father, Son and Holy Spirit.


That's a dumb question. Of course I do and apparently you do not.


I don't get mad... perhaps irritated at your stubborn willful disregard for what scripture actually says.



NO IT DOESN'T. It says that the THREE ARE ONE.
The trinity doctrine SAYS the three are DISTINCT, which means different, and it says they are SEPARATE.

You just got through saying I Am in the Old Testament, who is the FATHER, is also the Son and the Holy Spirit.


I notice that you ignore 99% of what I write.

The FIRST instance in the BIBLE of someone calling themselves I AM is the angel of the LORD. Go learn who the angel of the LORD is.

God revealed things to us by angels in the Old Testament, but in the New Testament it is by His Son.

God is GOD THE FATHER in the OLD TESTAMENT AND IS CALLED I AM.

Now are you going to deny that?
 

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The trinity doctrine SAYS the three are DISTINCT, which means different, and it says they are SEPARATE.
This is about the MILLIONTH time that you've LIED.

You just got through saying I Am in the Old Testament, who is the FATHER, is also the Son and the Holy Spirit.
LIE # one MILLION and ONE.

The are... EACH ONE OF THEM..... GOD.

God revealed things to us by angels in the Old Testament, but in the New Testament it is by His Son.
So you obviously do NOT know who the angel of the LORD is... too bad. Just more ignorance from you.

God is GOD THE FATHER in the OLD TESTAMENT AND IS CALLED I AM.
GOD IS THE I AM. The THREE PERSONS are the ONE GOD.

Now are you going to deny that?
Quit lying.
 

God's Truth

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This is about the MILLIONTH time that you've LIED.


LIE # one MILLION and ONE.

The are... EACH ONE OF THEM..... GOD.

There is ONLY ONE GOD. You just got through saying EACH one of them is God.

So you obviously do NOT know who the angel of the LORD is... too bad. Just more ignorance from you.

God the Father is the I Am.

You will never ever get around it.


GOD IS THE I AM. The THREE PERSONS are the ONE GOD.


Quit lying.

So you just said EACH ONE is God, correct? Then you said the THREE PERSONS ARE ONE GOD, correct?

You falsely accuse me of lying because you are dizzy not knowing what you say.

I say God the Father came as a Son and the Holy Spirit is Him.

I say Jesus is God the Father and the Spirit.

You say that is wrong, but say the word God like it is a title and signifies THREE different Persons.

You use the word God in the same way the word gods is used.
 

God's Truth

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The Bible says there is ONLY ONE GOD, and HE IS THE FATHER.

The Bible doesn't say there is only one God and He is the Son.

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.


That ONE GOD THE FATHER in the OLD TESTAMENT is called I AM.

Are you denying, yes or no, that God is the Father in the Old Testament?


Here are scriptures that say God in the Old Testament is the FATHER.

2 Samuel 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:


...and many more.

That One God is the Father, and He is the I Am.


Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"


So again, do you believe there is only one God and He is the Father, that He is the Father and called I AM?

Are you going to also believe that Jesus is that one and only God the Father and I AM?
 

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You made the discussion torturous and confusing.

I have told the truth and said plainly that the trinity doctrine says the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are separate and different persons.

You say no to me and call me a liar repeatedly.


I say do you believe God in the Old Testament is the Father?

You won't answer the question you just say it is God.


I say Jesus is the I Am in the Old Testament.

You say the angel is called I Am.


That is you DIZZY.
 

TrevorL

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Greetings again 7djengo7,
What (if anything) do you mean by your phrase, "personal Name"? Please cite where, in the Bible, you imagine you have learned that "the word Yahweh is the personal Name of the One God, God the Father".
You claim in your latest Post that I did not answer this, but I did give an answer. People do speak of God as a Person and to my understanding this One Person is God the Father. Those who unfortunately believe the Trinity speak that there are three Persons in the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Each human person has a personal name, John, Henry, 7dengo7(?) or maybe that is your forum name and not your personal name. The One God, God the Father has a personal Name, Yahweh, “Yahweh is His Name” Exodus 15:3.
You fail, yet again. Jesus nowhere addresses God the Father as "my Lord", nor does He ever refer to God the Father by the phrase, "my Lord". In fact, repeatedly Jesus refers to God the Father as "my Father" and as "my Father which is in heaven"; but nowhere does He refer to, or address, God the Father as "my Lord".
But Jesus does speak of God His Father as “Lord of heaven and earth” Matthew 11:25. Perhaps you do not accept the greatness and uniqueness of this. Jesus then speaks about what he had received from His Father, and the role that Jesus has now been delegated to fulfill..
What (if anything) is your point? Since Jesus is YHWH, Jesus is Lord of heaven and earth.
I have stated this before in another thread, but you rejected this. Matthew 11:25-26 is quoting and alluding to Psalm 8:1-3 and this is speaking of the One God, Yahweh, God the Father. Jesus is NOT the “Lord of heaven and earth” of Matthew 11:25, nor is he the “Yahweh” of Psalm 8:1-3. Jesus is The Son of Man who was made “a little lower than the Angels” as mentioned in Psalm 8:4-6.
Which one of your two Lords (your "Lords many") do you love? The one you call "God the Father", or the one you call "Jesus"?
Which one of your two Lords (your "Lords many") do you hate? The one you call "God the Father", or the one you call "Jesus"?
I expected you to end your Post like this. Please explain Psalm 110:1.

Kind regards
Trevor
 

oatmeal

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Is what false? What (if any) proposition are you asking me about? To what (if any) proposition are referring by your pronoun, "it".



Is what true? What (if any) proposition are you asking me about? To what (if any) proposition are you referring by your pronoun, "it".



Have what "both ways"? Please specify to what (if anything) you are referring by your pronoun, "it".



To which (if any) things are you referring, here, calling them "contradictory statements"? List them.

I am not sure why you are asking me what that means

I replied to your statements

If you don't understand your own words, you might want to review what you wrote.

Your conclusions contradict each other.
 
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