it takes wisdom
666
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it takes wisdom
666 always gets a lot of attention
your IQ ? 66.6 ? just kiddin' Chrys -
they are deleting your threads and posts ?
not fair -
they're always out to get you !
i know it's gotta be like 78 -
atrol:
I wonder why?
Perhaps it scares most people.
Maybe they are reading it upside down.
It could be 999
I like 777 better
I wonder why?
Perhaps it scares most people.
Maybe they are reading it upside down.
It could be 999
I like 777 better
it's a puzzle
and
many like myself love to solve them
early on in my research on 666
I searched daniel for the word number
one hit
number of the years
so
I looked to see what happened in the year 666
I searched daniel for the word number
one hit
number of the years
so
I looked to see what happened in the year 666
historians stay away from this year
and
you can't always trust their dates
and
you can't always trust their dates
How about the number of man being 6/imperfect body, 6/imperfect soul, and 6/imperfect spirit, just shy of the perfect, complete, sacred number 7?
Even now there are many antichrists out in the world.....Peace
1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Even now there are many antichrists out in the world.....Peace
1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Rev 13:16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,
Rev 13:17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.
Rev 14:9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Question: Where else is there a binding on the forehead or hand? see v8
Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Deu 6:5 You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.
Deu 6:6 And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart.
Deu 6:7 You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise.
Deu 6:8 You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.
Deu 6:9 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
The Jews, even today, literally bind these on their right hand and forehead:
Spoiler
Eschatology has never been my strong suit (take it as such) but the jews misread Deuteronomy to think this was a physical binding they needed to do, even up to today as shown in the spoiler. Not that a good reminder is a bad idea, but I believe Deuteronomy is talking about the way they were/are to think and the way they were/are to act: That His scriptures need to be in thier thoughts and actions.
Similarly then, (again eschatology is not my strong suit) I believe the mark could also be about what we think and do that would have us denying Christ as our Lord and Savior. How that would account for buying or selling I do not know so I see potential flaws here.
The theme is carried here: Matthew 22:37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Again, eschatoly - end times prophecy is not my strong suit. I had a half of a year 3 hour class on this, and did well, but I have never had strong confidence in trying to ascertain prophetic pictures and types. The ones that are tied to Daniel Joel, and Ezekiel are somewhat clear for me.
-Lon
The important thing to remember is that the mark, number and name are used to control buying and selling. Chrys' eschatological horse never even leaves the chute on that count alone.
If I could interject a point.....buying and selling denotes someone has lack, but in the perfect kingdom, there is no lack.
As for the mark in the forehead and in the hand, man already has taken the marks. They are the carnal mind and the works of the flesh. They "control" buying and selling from the standpoint of the lack that is inherent in that kingdom. Whereof in the perfection of His kingdom, the "silent" prayer, is that HaShem knows what ye have need of BEFORE YE ASK = no lack. Peace....
As for the mark in the forehead and in the hand, man already has taken the marks. They are the carnal mind and the works of the flesh. They "control" buying and selling from the standpoint of the lack that is inherent in that kingdom. Whereof in the perfection of His kingdom, the "silent" prayer, is that HaShem knows what ye have need of BEFORE YE ASK = no lack. Peace....
Interplanner
Well-known member
It's Nero. He persecuted many believers. The Rev was written to help that generation survive and respond to the persecution and the disaster in Israel.
In the apocalyptic Revelation by John of Patmos, Nero is the second beast who, through miracles and the threat of death, compels the worship of the first beast. Moreover, the second beast marks everyone, both the great and small, with its own mark:
"Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six" (13:18)
In both ancient Greek and Hebrew, letters also represented numerals (as they do in Latin), their values assigned according to the order of the alphabet, alpha and aelph, for example, having the numerical value of 1. By adding these values, words could be represented as the sum of their numbers.
This literation of numbers and numeration of letters was known as isopsephism by the Greeks and gematria by the Jews (which, has been used to interpret Hebrew scripture).
If the Greek spelling of Nero Caesar (Neron Kaisar) is transliterated into Hebrew (nrwn qsr), the numerical equivalent is 666.
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What is curious, however, is not so much that 666 can be decoded to signify Nero but that the name of the emperor is encoded in this particular number, especially since it could have been represented more readily in other ways. If "Nero" is retained in Greek, for example, the numeration would be 955 or, if "Neron," 1005; in Hebrew, then 256 or 306, respectively. It only is when the words are transliterated into Hebrew that the numeration adds up to 666 (nrwn qsr, 50 + 200 + 6 + 50 + 100 + 60 + 200). Even so, this is an alternate spelling, a letter in "Neron" being transliterated (nrwn instead of nrw) but not in "Caesar" (qsr instead of qysr), although these forms do appear in both the Talmud and a contemporary Aramaic scroll from Qumran. It is intriguing, therefore, that 666 encodes the name of Nero in Hebrew when Revelation, itself, was written in Greek.
One should appreciate, too, that there were no numbers in Greek or Hebrew and that the "the number of the beast" was not presented as a figure but as letters of the alphabet or written in full. That is to say, it was not expressed as "666" (indeed, discrete Arabic numerals would not be invented for another five hundred years) but as the numerical values of the three letters representing 600, 60, and 6.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/gladiators/nero.html
Progressive Liberalism
George Affleck
TOL Subscriber
Why do you think this is so?
To me buying and selling means a healthy economy - business as usual.
George Affleck
TOL Subscriber
Yes.
The problem with all mainstream political parties is that they are all just a different form of democratic socialism. They have been forced into this mold by the greed of the people.
Spiritual principle. Coin in fishes mouth; so Yeshua showed He had control over that as well. Plus the weather (the wind and the waves obeyed Him), plus the food supply (multiplication of the fishes and loaves).
Dominion over all things in heaven and in earth, was demonstrating the nature of ElYon, possessor of heaven and earth. This means He was not subject to "healthy economies". Think about what a threat that was to natural men, plus HaSatan. Peace
That kind of thinking makes John a false prophet because Nero was already in power when John wrote the book of Revelation between 65-70 AD. A prophet is a false prophet if they prophesy about something already in existence.
Preterism makes the book of Revelation almost useless because it would have had such little time to be distributed to the churches to authenticate God's foreknowledge in the matter since they knew a Roman invasion was coming anyway.
What about the prophets of the Hebrew Bible (what we call the "Old" Testament) ?
They continually called out Israel to repent and turn from its evil ways.
The so-called cherry-picked verses that were supposed to demonstrate the coming of Christ thousands of years into the future actually pertained to the present age of those prophets.
The prophetic voice says "If you don't stop going the way you're going, you're going to wind up where you're headed." Sometimes it is the prophet, the poet or the mystic who can clearly see the consequences of our actions in the present. In my view, we have lost the prophetic voice of today's Christianity of the New Testament
Yes it does....
that is because you don't live in russia or china
that is because you don't live in the middle east, africa, europe, or south america
you live where your risk is just being an american