2 Cor 4.4 (Jesus, The God of this age!)
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Apple7
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So....
Repeating yourself over and over again will somehow make it true?
Show some real exegesis...
way 2 go
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has not been shown to be false yet.
both refer satan
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diabolos
dee-ab'-ol-os
From G1225; a traducer; specifically Satan
Mat 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.G1228
it was satan
Mar_1:13 And he was in the wilderness forty days, being tempted by Satan.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil G1228
way 2 go
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1Co_8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
I agree with scripture
satan poses as many gods
Ad hominem
Apple7
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Your two examples...
Observe the arthrous (i.e. THE Devil) of Mat 4.1…
τοτε [ο] ιησους ανηχθη εις την ερημον υπο του πνευματος πειρασθηναι υπο του διαβολου
Compare to the anarthrous (‘a’ devil) of 1 Peter 5.8…
νηψατε γρηγορησατε ο αντιδικος υμων διαβολος ως λεων ωρυομενος περιπατει ζητων καταπιειν
Apple7
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1 Cor 8 is in the context of idols as gods.
Scripture defines idols as not being able to see, hear, eat, smell, walk, talk, etc, etc...
heir
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The time past refers to the walk of the Ephesians (the "ye") who in time past walked according to the course of this world. Who does it say is in charge of this world in the passage? And in case there is any question as to when he is in charge, it says "now"!
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
You moron. He's not called the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV) because he has no power here. He has authority here (Matthew 4:7-8 KJV) and power (2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV, 2 Timothy 2:26 KJV) according to Ephesians 2:2 KJV he does "now". Satan is not bound at this time...(Ephesians 6:11-12 KJV).
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heir
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problem?
You put a bump on her road.
hehe!
I'm with the "it's Satan" crowd, and not the "it's Christ" crowd.
heir
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There's no way it's the Lord! Aside from all of the scriptural evidence that it is Satan, God is not blinding anyone's mind in the dispensation of the grace of God as His will is that all men be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth (1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV).
I think GD is just exploring the possibility by examining it from both perspectives to see which one pans out the best.
I'm with you on this one, Heir.
I think once all the dots are connected, it is clear.
A lot of folks think the rider of the white horse in Rev 6:2 is Christ also.
I don't.
And some folks think the prince that shall come in Dan 9:26 is Christ.
I do not.
genuineoriginal
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You missed what Paul said?
Romans 11:10 10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. |
Zeke
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Same Spirit of truth just different levels of its good/light and evil/dark power that scripture portrays as metaphoric twins from the same womb operating in one body that can be used for both light and dark, but their two sides of the same coin that can win or lose in the first principles of good and evils parabolic siblings Gal 5:17, Eph 4:5-6.
Traditional religions based on the first elementals to be left behind Hebrews 6:1-5, has separated that one Truth for basic Matt 11:11, spiritual learning Gal 4:1, if not left behind 2Cor 5:16, that superficial opposition of those first principles of truth Psalms 78:2, will delay reconciliation Gen 33:4, like fire judged by its ability for both good and evil yet fire only uses both for is different levels of manifestation its still foundationally the same fire causing both effects, man's judgment is perverted by taking parable and symbols about Spirit separated into good or bad when its one Spirit causing both effects for our ultimate good, like the twin portrayal in Gal 4:21-29, when its the same Spirit causing both mental states.
glorydaz
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Yeah, that verse supports what you're saying. :chuckle:
glorydaz
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way 2 go
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Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
way 2 go
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1Co_8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth,
2Th 2:9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
Apple7
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Let's add some more context to this passage to help clear your confusion...
And you being dead in the trespasses and the sins of you, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit at present putting forth power inside the sons of disobedience, among whom we also all conducted ourselves in times past in the lusts of our flesh, doing the things willed of the flesh and of the understanding, and were by nature the children of wrath, even as the rest.
As you can easily see, Satan (i.e. 'the spirit') at present, can only put forth 'power', of which is NOT himself, but his demons.
Again...Satan is unable to make it in person, as he is bound.
Satan having 'power' does not make him Theos.
Far from it...
Pre-Cross scripture does not make Satan into Theos.
Satan is indeed bound.
His 'power' is in his demons, of which, are freely roaming planet earth.
And no, Satan can try his best....but he can NEVER be Theos...
Apple7
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Apple7
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You would do well to actually study what scripture says, very plainly...
John 12.35 - 41
Then Jesus said to them, Yet a little while the Light is with you. Walk while you have the Light, that darkness not overtake you. And the one walking in the darkness does not know where he is going. While you have the Light, believe into the Light, that you may become sons of Light. Jesus spoke these things, and going away He was hidden from them. But though He had done so many miraculous signs before them, they did not believe into Him,so that the Word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he said, "Lord, who has believed our report? And the arm of the Lord, to whom was it revealed?" Isa. 53:1 Because of this they could not believe, because Isaiah said again, "He has blinded their eyes" and "has hardened their heart," "that they might not see with the eyes" and "understand with the heart," "and be converted," "and I should heal them." Isa. 6:10 Isaiah said these things when he saw His glory, and spoke about Him.
Cleary, Isaiah is NOT speaking about Satan.
Isaiah is speaking about Jesus Christ as blinding people's eyes and hardening their hearts.
Only God has this power.
Not Satan.
Study up...
