11-year-old Gang-Rape Victim: Should She Be Able To Legally Abort?

[Angel4Truth]

The context is, there's a baby and you're condoning his murder.

No, the context is her body is severely bruised, beaten and traumatized on top of already being far too young to fully safely have a child, not to mention her mental state being far too gone.

1 person didnt just rape her, 20 men did, and beat her mercilessly.

Thats the context.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Of course I would. I would never force my daughter into murdering her child.

Answer this. Would you murder your grandchild?

Force, no, i would leave that up to her IF the doctors said it was safe and she wanted to, even though i think the doctors know best about the condition of her body and if they said it would kill her because of her already beaten beyond recognition condition and shape of her organs from the trauma, then i would try to save my daughters life FIRST and foremost.

 

[Angel4Truth]

I do not support abortion EXCEPT in the case of the life of the mother. That is what i am talking about here. You know that thing doctors already did *medical emergency before abortion was made legal.

No i would not force death on any woman with an ectopic pregnancy and i would not kill a woman with out of control diabetes whose kidneys are shutting down to save a baby when she has 3 other kids she will leave orphans.

I would hope the doctors would do all they can, but if they said it would kill the mother, then i support her sad to make choice.

 

[Nick M]

it should be legal for an....11-year-old rape victim to legally obtain an abortion?

So if a female is raped, it is then ok for her to murder? Where do you get your delusions?

What if an 11-year-old gets pregnant through consensual sex?

An 11 year old can not consent. The offender is to be executed.

When should murder be legal?

Uh.....never.

 

[gcthomas]

An 11 year old can not consent. The offender is to be executed.

In many states women can be convicted of statutory rape of boys. If the male offender was also a minor in this case, would you have both of them executed?

 

[WizardofOz]

So if a female is raped, it is then ok for her to murder? Where do you get your delusions?

:dunce:
You are really quite slow.

 

[Rusha]

I do not support abortion EXCEPT in the case of the life of the mother. That is what i am talking about here. You know that thing doctors already did *medical emergency before abortion was made legal.

No i would not force death on any woman with an ectopic pregnancy and i would not kill a woman with out of control diabetes whose kidneys are shutting down to save a baby when she has 3 other kids she will leave orphans.

I would hope the doctors would do all they can, but if they said it would kill the mother, then i support her sad to make choice.

As you should know, there are MANY complications that physicians bring to women's attention during pregnancy. However, a high risk pregnancy does not mean one needs to JUMP to the conclusion that allowing their unborn baby to live will mean certain death for the mother. This really is a self-serving cop-out

Mothers (and fathers) are suppose to be caregivers and IF that means risking ourselves for our children, it is just what an unselfish parent does ... put their child's needs above their own.

 

[Granite]

This subject is illuminating in that everyone's priorities are made extremely clear.

The mother is consistently regarded as secondary by the more hard-core pro-lifers. Seriously. She might as well not even exist.

 

[Rusha]

This subject is illuminating in that everyone's priorities are made extremely clear.

The mother is consistently regarded as secondary by the more hard-core pro-lifers. Seriously. She might as well not even exist.

Not secondary, but of equal value. I haven't seen anyone state that should the mother have a health crisis, she shouldn't be allowed to receive medical treatment in order to save herself and her unborn baby.

As of right now, the gut instinct for some has been to just assume the child would want and need to be driven to the closest slaughter mill ASAP.

 

[Nick M]

:dunce:

I accept your surrender.

 

[Doormat]

No, the context is her body is severely bruised, beaten and traumatized on top of already being far too young to fully safely have a child, not to mention her mental state being far too gone.

1 person didnt just rape her, 20 men did, and beat her mercilessly.

Thats the context.

That's not the context according to the video that described the event. And your assertions that an eleven year old is "far too young to fully safely have a child" and "her mental state being far too gone" are not evidence-based and irrational.

 

[Doormat]

I would hope the doctors would do all they can, but if they said it would kill the mother, then i support her sad to make choice.

Would you allow your 11 year old to choose to keep the baby if the doctor told you it would kill her? Yes or no.

If not, how can you claim you would not force her to have an abortion against her will?

 

[vegascowboy]

Would you allow your 11 year old to choose to keep the baby if the doctor told you it would kill her? Yes or no.

If not, how can you claim you would not force her to have an abortion against her will?

How does one choose one life to save and one to terminate?

It is easy to be tough her, in anonymity, but who would ever have an EASY time making this decision?

 

[WizardofOz]

I accept your surrender.

Your reading comprehension has failed you....again.

:idea: Try following along in the thread before responding to me. You obviously have no idea what my position is.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

No, the context is her body is severely bruised, beaten and traumatized

If her uterus was damaged and swollen to a dangerous degree it would reject the embryo instead of allowing it to implant. Infertile women sometimes have to take anti-inflammatory drugs to conceive.

on top of already being far too young to fully safely have a child

Who says she has to "fully safely" have one?

Since no pregnancy or birth (whether for an adult or minor) is "fully safe," then must we abort all minor-conceived pregnancies? Keep in mind that abortion is not "fully safe" - in a number of ways. In fact it guarantees a death and a deep grieving process.

not to mention her mental state being far too gone.

What does this mean? Don't we already have to deal with suicidal teens and can't we do that safely? Wouldn't that still be a risk, possibly as much so or more after an abortion? Don't you think a pregnancy could be a cheering influence? I know that when I was pregnant those 6 times I felt responsible to keep my stress levels low for a little person's well being and knew that I had a reason to be joyful, marking every little milestone of development. I think that would be therapeutic and yet another way to derive a victory over surviving the rape.

1 person didnt just rape her, 20 men did, and beat her mercilessly.

Only in a hypothetical scenario. Not in the case of the actual 11 year old reported.

Thats the context.

And my context is that you ignored my whole previous post to you. Which is why I'm responding, that and I don't want pregnancy myths propagated which might encourage murder.

 

[Doormat]

How does one choose one life to save and one to terminate?

What is the evidence the mother's life is in danger? There is no evidence for that claim. If you have evidence, present it.

Please don't assume an eleven year old girl who had precocious puberty, who could conceive a child, could not safely carry and birth that child. You would be wrong to assume that considering girls as young a 6 have given birth.

It is easy to be tough her, in anonymity, but who would ever have an EASY time making this decision?

What is difficult about letting her have the baby if she wants to love him, or forbidding her from murdering him because some other person raped her?

It certainly would be difficult for a believing parent to have their daughter want to murder the unborn, to destroy God's temple.

 

[vegascowboy]

What is the evidence the mother's life is in danger? There is no evidence for that claim. If you have evidence, present it.

Please don't assume an eleven year old girl who had precocious puberty, who could conceive a child, could not safely carry and birth that child. You would be wrong to assume that considering girls as young a 6 have given birth.



What is difficult about letting her have the baby if she wants to love him, or forbidding her from murdering him because some other person raped her?

It certainly would be difficult for a believing parent to have their daughter want to murder the unborn, to destroy God's temple.

Sorry, but you misunderstand me if you think that I have any support for abortion under any circumstances.

I have always, always been anti-abortion. Everything I have ever stated supports that. Even my statement in my "signature" line says that Abortion is murder. Period. My stance is pretty clear.

So, I am sorry if you have mistaken my words, but you are wrong if you think that I would support abortion, even in the situation at question.

I do NOT support abortion. No way, no how.

The threat of death, imo, does not justify murder.

 

[Doormat]

So, I am sorry if you have mistaken my words, but you are wrong if you think that I would support abortion, even in the situation at question.

Yes, I misunderstood you. Thanks for clarifying. :cheers:

 

[Delmar]

Before you go moving the goal posts any further Aaron, let's put a face behind your story.

SWEDEN: 20 Muslim invaders gang rape 11-year-old Swedish girl in public bathhouse

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2012/...11-year-old-swedish-girl-in-public-bathhouse/

How about two more faces?

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3553271#post3553271

 

[Lighthouse]

So if a female is raped, it is then ok for her to murder? Where do you get your delusions?

While he may be a heathen Wiz is neither defending nor advocating abortion. He is arguing against it, and questioning those who argue for it in such cases.

An 11 year old can not consent. The offender is to be executed.

I know someone else already sort of asked this, but I figure you're more likely to answer me; what are your thoughts on two eleven year olds engaging in "consensual" sex? Should they both be punished in some manner?

Of course, I would wonder where and how they learned of sex well enough to actually have sex and would consider the possibility that there were some form of molestation going on in at least one of their lives.

I accept your surrender.

See above.