11-year-old Gang-Rape Victim: Should She Be Able To Legally Abort?

11-year-old Gang-Rape Victim: Should She Be Able To Legally Abort?


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Doormat

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I consider this medical reason, not rape reason. An 11 year olds body is not developed enough for childbirth.

Do you realize you are implying you would force an eleven year old to have an abortion? Since you have decided an eleven year old child's body is not developed enough for childbirth, you should also believe you would be endangering her life by not forcing her to have an abortion. Please reconsider that generally an eleven year old who had precocious puberty and conceived could carry that child to viability.
 

aCultureWarrior

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Do you realize you are implying you would force an eleven year old to have an abortion? Since you have decided an eleven year old child's body is not developed enough for childbirth, you should also believe you would be endangering her life by not forcing her to have an abortion. Please reconsider that generally an eleven year old who had precocious puberty and conceived could carry that child to viability.

Boy, you're reading something that she didn't write.

I'll let A4T school you.
 

keypurr

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Can someone who considers themselves pro-life argue that it should be legal for an 11-year-old rape victim to legally obtain an abortion?

What is she was 13? 15? 18?

What if an 11-year-old gets pregnant through consensual sex?

Draw your arbitrary line in the sand and let us know your thoughts!

When should abortion be legal?

YES, the fetis is not a child YET.
 

Doormat

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I agree, but what about the little child that was raped?

Why do you think killing her unborn child would show her that God loved her? Children, all of them, are the heritage of the Lord, and the fruit of the womb is His reward. He knows that child in the womb. Have mercy.
 

keypurr

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Why do you think killing her unborn child would show her that God loved her? Children, all of them, are the heritage of the Lord, and the fruit of the womb is His reward. He knows that child in the womb. Have mercy.

I do not consider a young fetus a child. I question personhood. The life of the mother should at all times be the first consideration. Any woman who was raped should be able to abort no matter what age she is.

Again, an ACORN is not a Oak Tree. Lets decide when a fetus is a child before you make any judgements.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Does this tell you anything?
 

Dena

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What of the act of aggression against the raped child....would you further aggrieve said aggression by forcing an 11yr old to give birth? (All because your moral idealism considers a fetus...a "child"?)

I hear people say it's wrong to punish an innocent child for the sins of its parents but if abortion was denied to an 11 year old rape victim it would certainly be the case of punishing an innocent child. It would just be punishing the one that is already living and breathing on her own rather "punishing" the one that may still very well just being a clump of cells . Why should the latter be chosen over the first? If she does not want to carry her rapists baby then you have to choose one. Why not the child who has already suffered? Why does she have to suffer more for the sake of the one not yet conscious of even it's own existence?
 

Dena

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I don't believe that is the eleven year old rape victim, so if you want to use an eleven year old rape victim's face as a political football, perhaps you should actually use the face of the real victim.

Do you REALLY think the actual face of a child rape victim should be shared all over the internet?
 

Granite

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I almost cannot believe I'm saying this but I agree with aCW on this one.

If my daughter, was laying in a bed...bashed, humiliated, traumatised after being gang raped...I just don't think I could make her go through with a pregnancy as well. My heart would be breaking, don't get me wrong...but I just couldn't do it to her. I just couldn't.

That's pretty much where I come out on this as well.
 

WizardofOz

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Come on Aaron, we both know that legalization (i.e. decriminalization) doesn't mean approval.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92862

Or at least you and Jr. seem to think so.

Another dodge.

What's the point of criminalizing any abortion? We should simply encourage women to keep their babies.

Actually, according to a former Surgeon General, no mother has ever died, but if there is a chance of death, "save that life":

"While he was United States Surgeon General, Dr. C. Everett Koop stated publicly that in his thirty-eight years as a pediatric surgeon, he was never aware of a single situation in which a freeborn child's life had to be taken in order to save the life of the mother. He said the use of this argument to justify abortion in general was a “smoke screen.”...

Dr. Koop just called your argument a smokescreen.

Whoops :doh:

When two lives are threatened and only one can be saved, doctors must always save that life.
If the mother has a fast-spreading uterine cancer, the surgery to remove the cancer may result in the loss of the child's life. In an ectopic pregnancy the child is developing outside the uterus. He has no hope of survival, and may have to be removed to save his mother's life.

These are tragic situations, but even if one life must be lost, the life that can be saved should be. More often than not, that life is the mother's, not the child's. There are rare cases in later stages of pregnancy when the mother can't be saved, but the baby can.

Again, one life saved is better than two lost.


This has nothing to do with your position about ELECTIVE abortion for young rape victims and how you feel some elective (not medically necessary) abortions should be perfectly legal.

Just come out and say what your limit would be. When should elective abortion be illegal and when should it be legal?
 

Doormat

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I hear people say it's wrong to punish an innocent child for the sins of its parents but if abortion was denied to an 11 year old rape victim it would certainly be the case of punishing an innocent child.

Pregnancy and birth are not punishment.

Abortion requires informed consent. Do you believe an eleven year old can give informed consent? If yes, then do you believe an eleven year should be able to refuse abortion... or chemotherapy, or vaccines, or any other medical treatment that her parents decide is in her best interest?

Do you REALLY think the actual face of a child rape victim should be shared all over the internet?

No! Do you think the face of any rape victim should? And if you think the picture of any rape victim should be used as a political football, as was done on this thread by ASC, do you agree that it should at least be genuine and based on a true story? Apparently you missed the point I was making.
 
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Doormat

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Doormat said:
Why do you think killing her unborn child would show her that God loved her? Children, all of them, are the heritage of the Lord, and the fruit of the womb is His reward. He knows that child in the womb. Have mercy.
I do not consider a young fetus a child.

God considers a fetus a person, e.g. Jeremiah 1:5.

I question personhood.

You don't question personhood; it's obvious that you deny it for the unborn. Are you against the fetal homicide laws in the U.S., too? Would you punish the victims of fetal homicide by denying them justice because you don't think a person was murdered?

The life of the mother should at all times be the first consideration. Any woman who was raped should be able to abort no matter what age she is.

The life of the mother is not threatened by pregnancy or birth because of rape. The fact the child was conceived through an act rape is irrelevant, just as it would be if it was statutory rape of a 14 year old who consented to having sex with an 18 year old and wanted to keep her baby. An eleven year who can conceive can also remain pregnant and give birth.

Again, an ACORN is not a Oak Tree.

Careful with arguments like that. An old, diseased, dying oak tree who needs medications to survive, who is a burden on the forest and would serve it better by becoming compost, may someday be perceived less valuable than a healthy oak tree.

Regardless, a rapidly developing fetus cannot be compared to an acorn. At best, you can compare it to the sprouted acorn, which is a rapidly developing oak tree sapling.

Lets decide when a fetus is a child before you make any judgements.

The scriptures and the fetal homicide laws don't convince you a unborn human being is a person, but you find your irrational acorn versus oak tree comparison compelling?

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Does this tell you anything?

Yes. It tells me that you don't understand the life is in the blood according to scripture, that you don't grasp the unborn child has it's own blood supply, and you apparently believe God doesn't give them life until they breath independently. You are implying all people are created in the same way Adam was created.
 

Dena

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Pregnancy and birth are not punishment.

Have you ever been a pregnant woman carrying the child of your rapist? Do you have any clue of what emotions surround pregnancy and birth? The deep impact is has on a woman? Pregnancy and childbirth are a huge deal to us. Being forced to keep the product of a horrific act done to you by a brutal man is a punishment.

Abortion requires informed consent. Do you believe an eleven year old can give informed consent?

I'd rather she not be put in that position but if it happens than I do think the child should get to make the decision on her own behalf.
 

Angel4Truth

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So electively abort prior to any complication?

I posted in the other thread: List of youngest mothers

Your article doesn't detail their health or complications and it does not list those who had severe issues.

The child we are discussing was gang raped by 20 men, do you think that causes no physical damage to her body?

Lets force a severely beaten child, already too young to have a child herself to carry a baby that could cause severe complications if the mother is healthy, to carry one bruised beaten and most like with broken bones herself not to mention uterine damage and possibly stds to further threaten her life, not to mention her mental health. This is a health of the mother case.

Context people
 

Dena

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The child we are discussing was gang raped by 20 men, do you think that causes no physical damage to her body?

Lets force a severely beaten child, already too young to have a child herself to carry a baby that could cause severe complications if the mother is healthy, to carry one bruised beaten and most like with broken bones herself not to mention uterine damage and possibly stds to further threaten her life, not to mention her mental health. This is a health of the mother case.

Context people

Well, apparently having babies is easy on the mother mentally and physically. You just go on about your business for 9 months and it magically exists your body. You don't go through a waterfall of emotions, sickness, mental anguish and then do the hardest work of your life to bring that baby from your womb to the outside world.

I'm not trying to pick on WoZ here. It just seems that people want to ignore the reality of pregnancy, birth and trauma of rape on the mind and body. They act as if it would be an easy thing to do. I don't understand why we choose to force the traumatized child to be further traumatized. Aborting an embryo very early in a pregnancy does not hurt. It does not suffer. The child carrying that embryo would be suffering. She would be suffering greatly and people want to add to it by legally telling her she must suffer more because that's their belief system.
 
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