I'm autistic, what's your excuse?
11-year-old Gang-Rape Victim: Should She Be Able To Legally Abort?
- Thread starter WizardofOz
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Hardheaded...i.e....trying to reason with a simp.
Christian Liberty
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Stop making us look bad
Because it's impossible to be pro both lives.
You're a moron.
So, hypothetically, if they figured out that if the mother did not evict the unborn child early enough that, scientifically, the unborn child wouldn't have a chance (Which I think would classify as abortion even if it arguably isn't) she would die in childbirth, would you force the mother to allow the unborn child to develop to term in her womb?
The rape alone isn't enough for this, but if the mother's life were in danger, she should be allowed to choose herself over her child. Much like, child neglect would not normally be legal, but you wouldn't prosecute a family who's children died of starvation while they barely had enough to eat themselves (Of course, in the welfare state this would never, ever come up, and hopefully not under a strong church either, but I think you get my point.)
Did you seriously just call an autistic person a "simp"? So much for tolerance, you bigoted twerp.
Stop making us look bad
Nope.
Based on my previous statements can you figure out why, and what I would advocate?
She should be allowed to choose to try and save both to the extent that it is possible. She should not be allowed to choose to suck her baby through a vacuum filled with spinning blades.
Christian Liberty
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Yes, I know what you advocate, saving both.
And yeah, if "Abortion" is defined by taking a knife to the child, I agree that that doesn't help save the life of the mother.
On the other hand, an exceptionally early delivery likely could in the case of an 11 year old rape victim.
And yeah, if "Abortion" is defined by taking a knife to the child, I agree that that doesn't help save the life of the mother.
On the other hand, an exceptionally early delivery likely could in the case of an 11 year old rape victim.
Being unable to save the child is not the same as killing the child.
I have moral qualms telling anyone to kill their kid.
Even an 11 year old, even you.
But the former will know she killed the later if she aborts.
If the former doesn't abort then latter doesn't make it the former will know she did everything she could.
No one suggests she carry until death, that would leave two dead.Is this 11 year old - now - not considered the same "child" she once was (apparently) at conception?
That's a strawman made up by idiots who carry around laminated embryo identification cards and ask people which one is the human.
Quip, I understand that you don't give a crap about your off spring because you can't pick it out of a lineup but that 11 year old won't be 11 forever.
And she might ask what happened to the baby and then you can whip out your laminated embryo identification card and say "which one?"
And she's not going to buy that.
Rather sad that you would force an traumatized, eleven year old child through a further nine month trial. This is simply putting your idealism over the interest of the child...incredibly self-centered.
Well, yea...she'll also "know" she gave birth if indeed she ...gives birth - plus she'll be gifted a living, daily reminder of her rape..no less!
Pointless prattle.
What?!
What? :hammer:
Brilliant...in the mean time she's dealing with her rape---now--at 11 yrs of age.
What? lol
1PeaceMaker
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Seriously. Last I checked a baby was a gift from God.
Angel for truth spoke as though a fetus has never saved the life of his mother.
I remember the true story about a pregnant woman who had undiagnosed fatal liver disease and her fetus used his liver to keep them both alive. The mother had to have an emergency liver transplant to survive after pregnancy.
Not only that but vaginal delivery can help undo precancerous damage to the cervix.
If you want to know about other ways pregnancy has not only been a typical blessing of welcoming a new family member but also saved the lives of young mothers, just google "pregnancy saved my life." The possibilities for advantage to the mother through pregnancy are endless.
In a well fed mother pregnancy is a time of renewal and healing. The body is dosed with beneficial hormones which regenerate so many systems.
1PeaceMaker
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You mean the child can't consent to an abortion so you'll be forcing your idealism on her. Remember that you are messing with a woman, someone who is naturally fertile and is going to be this way for the rest of her life. Motherhood is in the cards, rape notwithstanding. Her body is designed for this and will, in all likelihood be doing it again.
Because people like you will go around reminding her that this is a "bastard child?" And therefore not as good as other children? Because you can't see what she can, that this is a real baby - a full blooded human, an innocent person? Is it not punishment enough that the child has no father? Can she not have her mother, her remaining family and her life or must she be stripped of all rights just because she was conceived by rape? What commentary does that offer on humanity that we would not love all children the same?
What he said might be over your head, but I totally got the point, and it was a good one.
Actually, no state has a statute allowing "forced abortion" nonetheless, "my idealism" incorporates choice, though if this was my daughter I would encourage her to abort yet, couldn't demand such.
Try and remind yourself of this fact when she's pregnant ....at 23 and considers abortion or perhaps - god forbid - the morning after pill.
Sounds like a personal issue for you.
Ohhh it's quite real all right...so is the suffering of the 11 yr old...something incipient life can't experience. The rest is just slippery-slope rhetoric you and fool seem predisposed of in lieu of substantial argumentation.
All he said was unqualified B.S.
You may "get fool's point" all you want yet, a polished turd.....is still nothing but a turd.
Says the guy who has no qualms about insulting people on the autism spectrum by calling them "simp." You'd tell a woman to abort her child if it was found to be autistic, or had down's syndrome, or some other form of mental retardation, wouldn't you?
WizardofOz
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When people get pregnant they later have babies. What is immoral about letting nature take it's course?
You think any female should legally be able to abort anytime. That position is moral? :think:
I guess as long as she makes the choice the choice is by default moral.
No such qualifiers are necessary. Simply "pro-life" will suffice. :idea: Let's save them both!
Is this 11 year old - now - not considered the same "child" she once was (apparently) at conception?
Emotional plea
Saving both lives isn't pro-life? What is inconsistent about it? Do explain....
1PeaceMaker
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Actually, if she is too young to consent to sex then she is too young to consent to the killing of her first child in utero.
And yes, by making abortion "legal" parents and states are actually forcing young girls against their expressed wishes, as well as forcing older mentally challenged women who want their babies. It doesn't take much googling to dig this up, so try taking a look yourself.
Are you going to address any of my points, or just throw random comments out to make it look like a discussion?
What kind of response is that? I'm not a child conceived by rape but if I was I might feel quite denigrated by your comment. I think you should rethink how hurtful that might be.
What brings you to imagine that assassinating her baby will lessen her suffering? The hypothetical child-mother will eventually realize what was done, if she hasn't already got a clue. Where is the recognition for the normal reaction of grief brought on by the induced loss of her child? Do you just expect her to take Prozac and pretend she's happy about it?
Unqualified by your incomprehensible standard.
No, just you ...simp.
At eleven years of age, I see no moral advantage to "letting nature take it's course". Not that "nature's course" has much to do with the emotional, maturity and perhaps financial issues involved.
This entire scenario shows that the tag pro-life is inconsistent political idealism...nothing "simple" nor practical to it.
That's a rich one! It only shows the arbitrary and idealistic nature of the pro-lifer's emotional focus. Once they're born....the lifer cares little of them.
Supra
There's nothing "natural" about rape.
You're getting your moral precepts mixed up with legal ones...not too awful surprising though. Lifers' have a though time distinguishing between the two.
Doesn't follow that what is "legal" must be utilized. Try again.
Nice dodge.
You sound defensive, like this is a personal issue for you...either directly or indirectly. No more no less, take it as you will. :idunno:
What makes you think that forcing her to give birth will not increase her suffering? Moreover, do you even care of her suffering as long as that "baby" is not "assassinated"? Plus, at 11, there's more individuals affected than just her.
???
I believe Oz and Peace must clod only a few steps away from the rapists by holding the notion that she must have deserved to be raped...else their moral idealism ..ie.. "letting nature take its course" holds limited authority.
And that makes it OK?
Not only is that bigoted, steeped in ignorance of high functioning autism but it equates to calling a single homosexual a faggot just because you don't happen to like them as a person. If you don't think it's OK to call homosexuals "faggots," then you shouldn't think it's OK to call one of them "faggot."
The fact you think it's OK to call me a "simp," because you don't like me and I happen to be on the autism spectrum makes you no better than a racist.