10 Vaccines That Saved The World

[brewmama]

Why don't you post them?

Why? They have been posted many times, there are many actual cases of reimbursement from the vaccine injury compensation program, in fact, by 2010, the U.S. Court of Claims had awarded nearly $3 billion dollars to vaccine victims for their catastrophic vaccine injuries, although two out of three applicants have been denied compensation.

I'm not sure how getting vaccinations is in any way comparable with smoking cigarettes. Vaccinations are known to increase immunity to disease, whereas smoking cigarettes is known to increase disease rates.

Easy. There are dangerous side effects from vaccines, and there are dangerous side effects from smoking, yet not every person partaking gets the side effects. That doesn't mean that they are safe.

 

[User Name]

There are dangerous side effects from vaccines, and there are dangerous side effects from smoking, yet not every person partaking gets the side effects. That doesn't mean that they are safe.

Are the dangerous side effects of vaccines greater than, equal to, or less than the dangerous side effects of smoking tobacco?

Does smoking tobacco provide any known health benefit, such as boosting immunity against any diseases?

 

[Tyrathca]

How so? Mortality HAD dramatically decreased before immunization began.

Have you watched the first 5 minutes of the video? Regardless my point was to show Elo is cherry picking reports on the basis that they say vaccines are bad but not really paying attention after that.

Easy. There are dangerous side effects from vaccines, and there are dangerous side effects from smoking, yet not every person partaking gets the side effects. That doesn't mean that they are safe.

There are dangerous side affects to literally everything, that's not a joke. There are dangerous side effects to drinking water, eating, getting out of bed, staying in bed, breathing, walking, showing. Set the threshold risk low enough and anything can be called dangerous

 

[brewmama]

Are the dangerous side effects of vaccines greater than, equal to, or less than the dangerous side effects of smoking tobacco?

Does smoking tobacco provide any known health benefit, such as boosting immunity against any diseases?

All irrelevant, since you were the one who made the original claim that since you suffered no ill effects from vaccines, they must therefore have no possible harmful effects. I'm merely making an analogy.

 

[User Name]

All irrelevant, since you were the one who made the original claim that since you suffered no ill effects from vaccines, they must therefore have no possible harmful effects. I'm merely making an analogy.

Try doing a cost-benefit analysis: Would you say that the dangerous side effects of vaccines are greater than, equal to, or less than the dangers posed by the diseases they are meant to prevent?

 

[elohiym]

I have to wonder Elo if YOU have actually watched it (or at least paid attention beyond "says bad things about vaccines")?

I watched her entire presentation.

If you have you should know that within the FIRST FIVE MINUTES it disagrees with this post of yours...

She doesn't consider that people were intentionally infecting their children at "measles teas," and then the culture changed when doctors started selling injectable attenuated infections. I do consider that, so we come to different conclusions on a point.

 

[elohiym]

THERE ARE CHILDREN'S VACCINES;
THERE IS AUTISM IN CHILDREN.

COULD THERE BE A LINK?

1.Scientists began experimenting and offering theories, the way science does when it follows the Scientific Method.

2.The study or studies were published for peer and public review.

3.They were found to be in error.

WHAT'S THE PROBLEM ???

Do you mean the Danish study? I covered that a bit on the first page of this thread:

"Danish Study" CDC Doctor who "Debunked" Autism Vaccines Link Indicted on Fraud

First Fraud: Dr. Poul Thorsen and the original “Danish Study”

"It’s hard to put into words how dishonest and outrageous a study this is, and I knew after reading it that we were in for a long fight: if scientists will lie this explicitly and call it a study and if Pediatrics will publish something this dishonest, they are playing to win at all costs."​

 

[elohiym]

Try doing a cost-benefit analysis: Would you say that the dangerous side effects of vaccines are greater than, equal to, or less than the dangers posed by the diseases they are meant to prevent?

I'll pick one: the tetanus vaccine. The chances of you getting tetanus are slim and the vaccine doesn't give you immunity to tetanus and doesn't prevent tetanus. See the vaccine label for the risks you take for that "benefit."

 

[gcthomas]

Do you mean the Danish study? I covered that a bit on the first page of this thread:

Thorson was neither a lead author nor a senior author. Nor is that paper the only one with the same conclusions - if the paper disappeared today MMR would still be cleared from any involvement in causing autism.

 

[elohiym]

Hmmmm maybe mobile phones do that too and that's why everyone keeps posting selfies and belfies? *throws away phone and puts on tin foil hat*

While you have your tinfoil hat on ...

Why don't you Australians get a tetanus vaccine every ten years like they do in the United States? Why are they pushing more than the five childhood tetanus vaccines in the United States? If both the U.S. and Australia are using science to develop vaccine schedules, why do they differ on the number of lifetime tetanus vaccinations recommended?

 

[User Name]

I'll pick one: the tetanus vaccine. The chances of you getting tetanus are slim and the vaccine doesn't give you immunity to tetanus and doesn't prevent tetanus. See the vaccine label for the risks you take for that "benefit."

Tetanus is a deadly infection, and it is true that the tetanus vaccine is not really to prevent infection from the bacteria, but against the toxin the bacteria produces. Recently, a child in Canada, who was not vaccinated, has contracted the deadly disease. The tetanus vaccine is not [used to] prevent an epidemic, but to prevent harm and death to children and adults.​

Source: http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skep...to-false-authority-who-is-tetyana-obukhanych/

 

[brewmama]

Try doing a cost-benefit analysis: Would you say that the dangerous side effects of vaccines are greater than, equal to, or less than the dangers posed by the diseases they are meant to prevent?

That is the question, (along with the likelihood of getting the disease.) And one every parent should be allowed to make on their own, after careful consideration of each vaccine.

 

[elohiym]

Tetanus is a deadly infection...

You are exaggerating. With an incidence in the U.S. of 0.10 per 1 million population and 13.2% case fatality rate, it is a very rare infection that is mostly not deadly.

... and it is true that the tetanus vaccine is not really to prevent infection from the bacteria, but against the toxin the bacteria produces.

What does the author mean by "the tetanus vaccine is ... against the toxin?" After vaccination, you still get the infection and still have to deal with the toxin. Are you aware researchers have found people develop a natural tolerance or immunity to the toxin in their formative years? Perhaps it develops through ingestion of ubiquitous Clostridium tetani bacteria.

Recently, a child in Canada, who was not vaccinated, has contracted the deadly disease.

Oh my! A single child. Meanwhile in the U.S. tens of thousands of unborn children were murdered today, thousands of boys had their genitals mutilated, all by the doctors who can't prove a vaccine would have prevented him from contracting a mostly not deadly disease. Did the child die?

The tetanus vaccine is not [used to] prevent an epidemic, but to prevent harm and death to children and adults.

The tetanus vaccine causes harm in the sense that it comes with risks of side-effects. You have already received five childhood tetanus vaccinations and will repeat every ten years. That's a lot of intentional risk taking to prevent the minuscule chance that you will suffer from a mostly not deadly infection, and it ignores the probability you have a natural immunity through ingestion of ubiquitous Clostridium tetani bacteria.

 

[elohiym]

That is the question, (along with the likelihood of getting the disease.) And one every parent should be allowed to make on their own, after careful consideration of each vaccine.

:cheers:

 

[elohiym]

Source: http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skep...to-false-authority-who-is-tetyana-obukhanych/

That hatchet job was written by a self-proclaimed shill for big pharma.

All posts by The Original Skeptical Raptor
Lifetime lover of science, especially biomedical research. Spent years in academics, business development, research, and traveling the world shilling for Big Pharma. I love sports, mostly college basketball and football, hockey, and baseball. I enjoy great food and intelligent conversation. And a delicious morning coffee!​

 

[User Name]

That hatchet job was written by a self-proclaimed shill for big pharma.

All posts by The Original Skeptical Raptor
Lifetime lover of science, especially biomedical research. Spent years in academics, business development, research, and traveling the world shilling for Big Pharma. I love sports, mostly college basketball and football, hockey, and baseball. I enjoy great food and intelligent conversation. And a delicious morning coffee!​

Big Pharma vaccine profits – the real conspiracy :readthis:

 

[elohiym]

Big Pharma vaccine profits – the real conspiracy :readthis:

He essentially concedes that vaccines are profitable. There is no "real conspiracy" dealt with in the article. I haven't mentioned pharmaceutical profits in this discussion, have I? You are bringing it up out of the blue.

 

[Tyrathca]

While you have your tinfoil hat on ...

Why don't you Australians get a tetanus vaccine every ten years like they do in the United States? Why are they pushing more than the five childhood tetanus vaccines in the United States? If both the U.S. and Australia are using science to develop vaccine schedules, why do they differ on the number of lifetime tetanus vaccinations recommended?

I'm not sure what the current USA protocol or data is, in Australian it is for people with potential exposure who haven't had a vaccine in the last ten years to be vaccinated (if they've had a vaccine in the last ten years they don't get another)

 

[Tyrathca]

That hatchet job was written by a self-proclaimed shill for big pharma.

So big pharma shill's are bad but anti pharma shill's are ok?

 

[User Name]

You are exaggerating. With an incidence in the U.S. of 0.10 per 1 million population and 13.2% case fatality rate, it is a very rare infection that is mostly not deadly.

Are tetanus vaccine injuries a greater or lesser threat than tetanus?