10 things I'm right about, whether you agree or not.
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Balder
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Oh! Well, I said that Szasz makes some valid arguments but his perspective appears, to me, to be incomplete and over-generalized, and I gave the reasons why I think so.
Mystery
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That part I got. I have no idea what those reasons are. I have no idea how they pertain to the mind having the ability to be diseased or not.
There is no such thing as 'mental illness'????!!!!
Well Thank you Mr resident psychologist and neurosurgeon all in one.....I suppose schizophrenia is just a trick of the mind or something, that clinical and manic depression are just not feeling too great....
grief.... :rain:
SUTG
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I'd put him more along the lines of a dumb Derrida, or even an especially idiotic version of Lacan.
Clark Frugal
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Thank the Father God most disagree with point number six! no doubt there are interesting points made in those books that Mystery recommended. but this does look like hair-splitting to me. I deal with many children and adults who have real issues in their lives. some behavioral and some physical arrested development, that makes it behavioral.
What profit is there in the semantics of "no mental illness"? this reminds me of the fanatical dogma that we cannot use the word "create" when speaking of works-of-art.
Human life is a gift. And ours is the highest developed nervous system. Enlightenment is our birthright. We can know God consciouseness be it Christian, Muslim, Hinduism, Buddhism, and the like.
But, if our nervous system is not working properly there will be a limitation. Just like blindness, or deafness, or whatever. If the child is not eating properly or getting the proper rest there will be limitations to their development in education and life.
If we eat high-fructose corn syrup and pesticides and chemicals and highly-processed foods that is what we are. we are what we eat.
Those people who are lucky enough to have the ideal environment, ideal organic foods and clothes, ideal physical life get to develop closer to the natural state of joy. But some have no chance of this. most are in the middle of the bell curve.
How cruel to tell the suffering families that there is no mental illness.
What profit is there in the semantics of "no mental illness"? this reminds me of the fanatical dogma that we cannot use the word "create" when speaking of works-of-art.
Human life is a gift. And ours is the highest developed nervous system. Enlightenment is our birthright. We can know God consciouseness be it Christian, Muslim, Hinduism, Buddhism, and the like.
But, if our nervous system is not working properly there will be a limitation. Just like blindness, or deafness, or whatever. If the child is not eating properly or getting the proper rest there will be limitations to their development in education and life.
If we eat high-fructose corn syrup and pesticides and chemicals and highly-processed foods that is what we are. we are what we eat.
Those people who are lucky enough to have the ideal environment, ideal organic foods and clothes, ideal physical life get to develop closer to the natural state of joy. But some have no chance of this. most are in the middle of the bell curve.
How cruel to tell the suffering families that there is no mental illness.
very respectfully, Carl
I didn't mean to make it sound like his points were of any sort of merit, though I can't help but wonder if Derrida and Lacan would have liked his purposeful use of obtuse reasoning. This would be a hell of a place to deconstruct.
Clark Frugal
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I tried to read Foucault's book on the birth of Prisons. I regret not finishing the work.
Sharri
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what about pedophiles, and sexual offenders, and so on. Do they have brain disfunctions of some kind or does it stem from anger, can anger take over your mind (or brain)?
Mystery
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I think Romans 1 does a very good job of showing how depravity sets in when we reject God. Our minds need to be renewed with the truth.
Anger, lust, pride, are all factors that enter in to depravity.
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them."
This simply is not true, mental illness is as real as any illness, and you might want to call it brain illness. The only way to rationalize your weird concept is to argue that all illness is caused by spiritual impoverishment.
Mystery
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You are out of your league, missy. You don't know what the hell you are talking about.
The mind cannot be ill. The mind is not physical, and you can never prove that it is.
Derrida makes the obtuse apt and poignant and Lacan has a way of making rational thought mundane and obtuse. :chew:
:chew: sonny, you are simple. :chew:
Some of it is semantics. The spiritual, non-physical, the 'mind', etc. still works in conjunction with our bodies. Spiritual issues due to rebellion against God and sin after the Fall does bring depravity and can affect our physical. The real us (spirit, soul) expresses itself through the body. Our brains can be affected due to our fallen state. This can manifest in the realm of the mind as dysfunction (depend on how we define mind; like most words, mind can have a range of meanings...hence the clashes on this topic).
Mystery
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Thank you!
You are darn right I am, and you are not...
"But I am afraid, lest as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds should be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.
Mystery
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Ill?