I'm sorry you still struggle with your sin. Christ set me free, so I no longer have to struggle. If I sin, I am not condemned. I am forgiven. And knowing that, I no longer fight myself about it. I merely revel in the freedom He gave me.
10 things I'm right about, whether you agree or not.
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The struggle is in trying not to sin to begin with. My sin no longer condemns me but I struggle against it. The alternative is to sin and be proud of it like you.
You're an idiot. I do not have to try not to sin, because I know the freedom I have in Christ, from sin. So when the opportunity arises, I can walk away without ever struggling over it. And I often do. I do not revel in sin, I revel in freedom from sin. I recognize the freedom He gave me, and walk in it. In Him there is no try, there is only do.
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Linguistic considerations help to illuminate the differences between bodily and mental disease, as well as between disease and diagnosis. We do not attribute motives to a person for having leukemia, do not say that a person has reasons for having glaucoma, and would be uttering nonsense if we asserted that diabetes has caused a person to shoot the President. However, we can and do say all of these things about a person with a mental illness. One of the most important philosophical-political features of the concept of mental illness is that, at one fell swoop, it removes motivation from action, adds it to illness, and thus destroys the very possibility of separating disease from non-disease and disease from diagnosis.
Diseases are physico-chemical phenomena or processes--for example, the abnormal metabolism of glucose (diabetes). Mental diseases are patterns of personal conduct, unwanted by the self or others. Psychopathology is diagnosed by finding behavioral, not physical, abnormalities in bodies. Disease qua psychopathology cannot be asymptomatic. Changing the official classification of mental diseases can transform non-disease into psychopathology and psychopathology into nondisease (i.e., smoking from a behavioral habit into "nicotine dependence"). In short, medical diseases are discovered and then given a name, such as acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS). Mental diseases are invented and then given a name, such as attention deficit disorder.
Nowadays, names routinely are given not only to somatic pathology (real or bodily diseases), but to behavioral pathology (psychopathology or mental diseases). Indeed, if we propose to treat misbehavior as a disease instead of a matter of law or social policy, we name it accordingly (for instance, "substance abuse"). Not surprisingly, we diagnose mental illnesses by finding abnormalities (unwanted behaviors) in persons, not abnormalities (lesions) in bodies. That is why forensic psychiatrists "interview" criminals called "patients" (who often do not regard themselves as patients), whereas forensic pathologists examine body fluids. In the case of bodily illness, the clinical diagnosis is a hypothesis, typically confirmed or disconfirmed through an autopsy. It is not possible to die of a mental illness or to find evidence of it in organs, tissues, cells, or body fluids during an autopsy.
Thomas Szasz ...
Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus at the State University of New York Health Science Center in Syracuse, New York
My father is no longer a homo, you filthy son of Hell.
What happens when I do sin? Well, I sin. And I find myself bored with it. And that's because I am not a slave to sin. So I stop.
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I just posted the facts, you homo loving godless pervert. Let's see you dispute them, let alone understand them, you moron.
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Neither are psychologists.
I agree with you that those who would treat mental disorders and problems solely as a physical dysfunction, to be corrected with medicine, are misguided.
However, I think there is abundant evidence that there is nevertheless a correlation between body and mind, where we witness both bottom-up causality (body/brain health influences state of mind) and top-down causality (mental/spiritual condition influences state of the body). So, to completely condemn those that approach the achievement of mental well-being through the body is as problematic as condemning those who approach the achievement of physical well-being through the spirit and/or mind.
This is why I said an integral approach is needed, one which equally honors body and mind and which recognizes and works with their correlation.
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There's not a moment just before you sin that you think maybe you shouldn't? Or perhaps 3 days after you start sinning, but before you've become "bored" with it, don't you stop in the middle of it and ask yourself, "why am I doing this....again?"
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Your opinions mean nothing to me.
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I'm praying for you.
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Of course they don't, because YOU are too incompetent to have any idea what I posted.
You are just a big mouth faggot, without an lick of sense.
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Satan, your god, cannot answer prayers.
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Repent.
Nope.
3 days? More like an hour. I usually get bored in about an hour or less, if I do sin.
Right now I am on the internet, in my home. I could go find some free porn. I even have LimeWire, so I could download it. But I'm not, because I actually don't want to. Before I recognized my freedom, I would have wanted to. And I would have fought myself over it. But now, no struggle. Because I really have no desire to.
Of course, porn isn't the only sin. But it's the one I had the biggest issue with before I recognized my freedom.
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Hard to Agree On Everything When Not Clear
Hi Mystery!
1. A Christian cannot lose salvation.
John 6: And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
2 Timothy 2: 11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2. The sacrifice of Jesus was not "limited", but for all men, for all time.
I believe that would apply to the 1000 Years Reign of Christ as well.
3. God wants all men to be saved, not just a predetermined "elect".
Foreknowledge of God knowing whom are seeking Him comes to mind.
Acts 16: 6Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, 7After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.
8And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas. 9And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us. 10And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.
One has to wonder if the Gospel was to be preached to all men, but then we did have this warning also about giving to someone not seeking.
Matthew 7: 6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
4. Paul did not struggle with sin post conversion.
Not sure why he would advise this then.
1 Corinthians 10: 13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Or Peter's advise,
1 Peter 4: 12Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
Not saying that we would be overcome, but that we shall be overcomers through Christ Jesus as He destroys the works of the devil in our lives. Believers should not lose heart if they find themselves in a fiery trial and thus thinking they were never saved because Paul never struggled with sin after conversion. They just need to be reminded to keep their eyes and hope on Jesus and trust Him to walk them through that valley of death as the Good Shepherd He is, for He has overcome the world therefore He shall overcome whatever trial a believer should find himself in.
5. The creation was a literal 6 days (24 hours).
Complete agreement with the 24 hours day for each of the six days.
6. There is no such thing as "mental" illness.
I have read further in this thread on your point here, and so I understand. Shouldn't it be stated that Jesus is the liberator of those that are "afflicted"?
7. Time is a measurement between two events.
In regards to the faith, I am not sure what the relevancy is? Other than not looking back, but forward to the upward calling of Christ?
8. Jesus is God manifested in the flesh.
Amen.
9. No man is justified by works
Agreed and Amen.
Romans 9: 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
1 John 3: 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
10. Salvation is an exchanged life, not a changed life.
Depends on how you look at it, I guess. I can see the exchanged life when we are no longer living after the flesh to fulfill the lust thereof towards walking with the Spirit in sowing to the Spirit so as to be abiding in Jesus as all the fruits of righteousness are coming from Him (Philippians 1:6-11 KJV). But in another sense, we shall all be changed.
1 Corinthians 15: 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Thanks for sharing what you believe you are right about. I thank Jesus I am where I am in my walk with Him. He has pruned me alot along the way. I trust Him to finish His work in me as He keeps me from falling to present me faultless as my hope is on Him, My Good Shepherd and My Saviour. He is my resting place.
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Hi Mystery!
1. A Christian cannot lose salvation.
John 6: And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
2 Timothy 2: 11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2. The sacrifice of Jesus was not "limited", but for all men, for all time.
I believe that would apply to the 1000 Years Reign of Christ as well.
3. God wants all men to be saved, not just a predetermined "elect".
Foreknowledge of God knowing whom are seeking Him comes to mind.
Acts 16: 6Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, 7After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.
8And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas. 9And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us. 10And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.
One has to wonder if the Gospel was to be preached to all men, but then we did have this warning also about giving to someone not seeking.
Matthew 7: 6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
4. Paul did not struggle with sin post conversion.
Not sure why he would advise this then.
1 Corinthians 10: 13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Or Peter's advise,
1 Peter 4: 12Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
Not saying that we would be overcome, but that we shall be overcomers through Christ Jesus as He destroys the works of the devil in our lives. Believers should not lose heart if they find themselves in a fiery trial and thus thinking they were never saved because Paul never struggled with sin after conversion. They just need to be reminded to keep their eyes and hope on Jesus and trust Him to walk them through that valley of death as the Good Shepherd He is, for He has overcome the world therefore He shall overcome whatever trial a believer should find himself in.
5. The creation was a literal 6 days (24 hours).
Complete agreement with the 24 hours day for each of the six days.
6. There is no such thing as "mental" illness.
I have read further in this thread on your point here, and so I understand. Shouldn't it be stated that Jesus is the liberator of those that are "afflicted"?
7. Time is a measurement between two events.
In regards to the faith, I am not sure what the relevancy is? Other than not looking back, but forward to the upward calling of Christ?
8. Jesus is God manifested in the flesh.
Amen.
9. No man is justified by works
Agreed and Amen.
Romans 9: 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
1 John 3: 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
10. Salvation is an exchanged life, not a changed life.
Depends on how you look at it, I guess. I can see the exchanged life when we are no longer living after the flesh to fulfill the lust thereof towards walking with the Spirit in sowing to the Spirit so as to be abiding in Jesus as all the fruits of righteousness are coming from Him (Philippians 1:6-11 KJV). But in another sense, we shall all be changed.
1 Corinthians 15: 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Thanks for sharing what you believe you are right about. I thank Jesus I am where I am in my walk with Him. He has pruned me alot along the way. I trust Him to finish His work in me as He keeps me from falling to present me faultless as my hope is on Him, My Good Shepherd and My Saviour. He is my resting place.
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How about psychiatrists?
They are not treating "diseases/illnessess", they are treating symptoms. Symptoms that do not have a physiological cuase.
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Hello? Litehouse?
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Repent
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Mystery, the more you post the more you contradict your hypothesis on mental illness. Do you really think I've had sex with a man? More importantly, do you think about it often? Regardless, you had to think about it at least once in order to type it. You're a sick, little man.