İ'm a 18 year old know-it-all Muslim. Ask me anything!

[Repentance]

you quoted "These won't be human and they won't have experienced any other life. They are virgins of an heavenly nature purely as a reward."

So in heaven those with that reward will participate in non-human partners??? That were basically made for a lust act. Isn't that akin to bestiality.
Making love was designed for married partners not some soulless robot created for fulfilling the lusts of the flesh.

All the sensual nature of human existence is a gift of God, after evil is annihilated.

Is that why the Vatican forbids sex if it is not for child making?

 

[Daedalean's_Sun]

A difference of opinion. The correct opinion is that the individual who apostates and then fights against the state or religion (treason) is deserving of death just like those of the kuffar who do so.

So one must leave Islam and also 'fight' the religion? And this is punishable by death? What if one leaves the religion publicly, but does not 'fight' against the religion, is that still death? What minimum transgression would you regard as fighting the religion?

Is a non-muslim who writes books against Islam under a sharia-bound government, deserving of death too?

 

[Aimiel]

But don't you also believe that God cannot be compared with any creation? By image you can't mean physical shape etc

Why not? Do you think He is shapeless, like smoke, simply because He is Spirit? He has shape. Spirit is above the physical, not below it.

God cannot weaken or destroy himself at will. Why are you always thinking small of God?

What if He chose to lay down His Power, take on The Form of Flesh and become Human. Would that be possible for an Omnipotent God or not?

What I mean is that God does not have a human image. We as our souls or spirit is created in the image of the Most Merciful. Not our bodies.

I believe that God has Two Hands, Two Feet and a Head. Do you?

Anyways if God is such why did Jesus take the form of a man?

He chose what He wanted to represent Himself. Is that okay with you, or do you think you could prevent Him from doing so?

If we believe and do righteous deeds we would be above the station of angels as we have freedom of choice but they don't.

Scripture says that all of our righteousness is as filthy rags. None of us is perfect. God demands perfection. The only way you can have your sins (past, present and future) blotted out is through Jesus' Blood.

We are bodies and spirits. Why would he create us like this just to take it away? Why is sex, eating or drinking some sort of sin or lowliness?

He created sex so that we might procreate. The intimacy that we have with our spouse is mildly comparable to what we will have with God forever. What we will have with Him will be far more intimate and far deeper and greater in understanding and enjoyment than any sexual experience or intimacy with our spouse. He knows us better than we know ourselves. He wants to share His Love with us here and now. He wants to be intimate with you, but since you don't believe in His Son, He cannot come near you. You've rejected His Word for the words of a demon. He has no fellowship with demon-worshippers. You need to become Christian, and then He can live inside you and share Himself with you. He will walk with you, talk with you and have meals with you. He said so. He does. It cannot be shared by words or thoughts. Only by becoming born again can you come into fellowship with Him. Without Christ you have no life.

 

[OCTOBER23]

All the sensual nature of human existence is a gift of God, after evil is annihilated.

Is that why the Vatican forbids sex if it is not for child making?
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The Vatican influenced Mohammed to put many Catholic ideas into the koran.

MOHAMMED WANTED TO MARRY MARY IN PARADISE.

Also, in paradise he said there would be a 72 year old virgin as well as young boys for your pleasure .

All this is against the Christian God who wants people to build Resistance to sin.
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[Repentance]

All this is against the Christian God who wants people to build Resistance to sin.

Why did He them make sexual sensations so appealing? And food and drink/intoxicants also? Only to test us here? What about Adam and Eve in Paradise before they were kicked out? Why would Adam need a wife? Why eat from a tree if not for the rewards of it?

 

[Repentance]

So one must leave Islam and also 'fight' the religion? And this is punishable by death? What if one leaves the religion publicly, but does not 'fight' against the religion, is that still death? What minimum transgression would you regard as fighting the religion?

Difference of opinion.

Is a non-muslim who writes books against Islam under a sharia-bound government, deserving of death too?

Blasphemy is banned under the law of God. No one can criticise the religion unless it is through a platform of dialogue/debate. A book is not a good platform for discussion/dialogue/debate.

 

[Repentance]

Why not? Do you think He is shapeless, like smoke, simply because He is Spirit? He has shape. Spirit is above the physical, not below it.

But a fundamental principle in Islam is that we cannot imagine God in any shape or form. He is not comparable with anything. He is God and God is infinitely above the best of our imaginations - unless we getto see Him. We can only begin to understand God in the eternal life. Our purpose here is not to explore the nature of God. That's impossible. We only listen and obey and accept the scripture without denying how he describes himself, without distorting the words or trying to interpret it, without being anthropomorphic, and without comparing him to anything. By doing this we do maintain our belief that God is a thing

What if He chose to lay down His Power, take on The Form of Flesh and become Human. Would that be possible for an Omnipotent God or not?

God has power over everything. Why did God do such a thing? God needs not attain what He did by lowering himself or weakening Himself. Just because it is possible for God to have a son or come in as Human does not mean it fits his glory or majesty.

They say: "Allah has begotten a Son". Glory be to Him! His is what the heavens and the earth contain; all things are obedient to Him. Creator of the heavens and the earth! When he decrees a thing, He need only say "Be", and it is.
—Qur'an 2:116

They say, ‘God has begotten a son.’ God forbid! Self-sufficient is He. His is all that the heavens and the earth contain. Surely for this you have no sanction. Whould you say of God what you know not?
—Qur’an 10:68

Such was Jesus, the son of Mary. That is the whole truth, which they still doubt. God forbid that He Himself should beget a son! When He decrees a thing He need only say: ‘Be,’ and it is.
—Qur’an 19:35

Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
—Qur’an 19:88

They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ (Maseeh): "O children of Israel! worship Allah my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah Allah will forbid him the garden and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy) verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
Why turn they not to Allah and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.
Christ (Maseeh) the son of Mary was no more than an Apostle; many were the Apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth makes His Signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
Say: Will ye worship besides Allah something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah He it is that heareth and knoweth all things."
Say: "O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper) trespassing beyond the truth nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by who misled many and strayed (themselves) from the even way.
—Qur’an 5:72-77

I believe that God has Two Hands, Two Feet and a Head. Do you?

Yes. We do not deny this or distort this. Neither do we try to interpret it or compare God with creation.

He chose what He wanted to represent Himself. Is that okay with you, or do you think you could prevent Him from doing so?

That's not OK with God. Jesus (pbuh) never claimed He was God. He only spoke for God just like Muhammad (pbuh) spoke for God through the Koran.

Scripture says that all of our righteousness is as filthy rags. None of us is perfect. God demands perfection. The only way you can have your sins (past, present and future) blotted out is through Jesus' Blood.

If God had another earth with another creation like us must He sent Jesus to be murdered in that earth too? Use your reason. God is a universal God. And God is fair - what about those who have not heard about this lamb of sacrifice? What about those before Christ? I say the ways of God does not change through time or space. He is One for all.

The only way I could purify myself is through God's mercy and grace.After all He is Most-Forgiving and the Purifier. No one questions what He does.

He created sex so that we might procreate. The intimacy that we have with our spouse is mildly comparable to what we will have with God forever. What we will have with Him will be far more intimate and far deeper and greater in understanding and enjoyment than any sexual experience or intimacy with our spouse. He knows us better than we know ourselves. He wants to share His Love with us here and now. He wants to be intimate with you, but since you don't believe in His Son, He cannot come near you. You've rejected His Word for the words of a demon. He has no fellowship with demon-worshippers. You need to become Christian, and then He can live inside you and share Himself with you. He will walk with you, talk with you and have meals with you. He said so. He does. It cannot be shared by words or thoughts. Only by becoming born again can you come into fellowship with Him. Without Christ you have no life.

Why did God create Eve for Adam when He thought Adam needed Eve? Adam would have been satisfied with God?

I do not deny that God's presence is enough as reward and as a purpose in eternal life.

Without Christ you have no life. Really? So the millions of people who have not heard of Christ is doomed along with those before Christ?

 

[OCTOBER23]

Repentance said,

1.Why did He them make sexual sensations so appealing?
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1a. BECAUSE YOU ARE IN AN ANIMAL BODY AND THAT IS WHAT SATAN KNOWS

ALL ABOUT BECAUSE HE WAS SENT TO EARTH TO GENETICALLY ENGINEER ANIMALS.

SO, GOD IS GIVING HIM ANIMALS THAT WILL RESIST HIS MACHINATIONS.
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2. Why would Adam need a wife?

2a. God plans for the future. So, God gave Adam a companion that would have potential
if he failed the test which he did by submitting to his wife's naivety

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3. Why eat from a tree if not for the rewards of it?

3a. The Reward of Fruit of the Tree was more Testosterone to drive them to copulate
because there was not SEX in the Garden before.

Genesis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked;

 

[OCTOBER23]

REPENTANCE said,
God has power over everything. Why did God do such a thing? God needs not attain what He did by lowering himself or weakening Himself. Just because it is possible for God to have a son or come in as Human does not mean it fits his glory or majesty.
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WHAT IS SATAN LIKE COMPARED TO THE CHRISTIAN GOD ??????

-- SATAN IS PROUD AND ARROGANT AND HE IS CONCERNED ONLY FOR HIMSELF.

------- SATAN HATES MANKIND AND WANTS TO DESTROY THEM ANY WAY HE CAN

SUCH AS BRAINWASHING THEM AND MAKING THEM KILL EACH OTHER.

--- ALLAH IS JUST LIKE SATAN BECAUSE HE WANTS HIS FOLLOWERS

TO LIE AND DECEIVE AND KILL EACH OTHER.
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Why would God divest himself of His Divinity and Humble himself ?

GOD LOVES MANKIND AND IS WILLING TO GIVE HIS LIFE FOR MANKIND.

--- GOD LOVES HIS CREATION AND WANTS THE BEST FOR THEM.

--- GOD IS HUMBLE AND KIND AND COMPASSIONATE, PATIENT, LOVING AND HONEST.

WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO SERVE AS YOUR GOD ?

SOMEONE WHO HATES YOU AND DECEIVES YOU

OR SOMEONE WHO LOVES YOU AND TELLS YOU THE PLAIN TRUTH ?

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
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1 Thessalonians 3:12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:

1 Thessalonians 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you:
for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

Titus 3:15 All that are with me salute thee. Greet them that love us in the faith.
Grace be with you all. Amen.

2 John 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father,
and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Jude 1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

 

[Aimiel]

But a fundamental principle in Islam is that we cannot imagine God in any shape or form.

That's fine... I don't see where imagining God has no shape or form will harm you; but He said in His Word that He created man in His Image and Likeness. We look like God. Someone who has a photo of themself would say, "Here is my 'image' or 'likeness.' We know this because God had holy men write down what He inspired them to write.

He is not comparable with anything.

He is above, yes, but He can be compared to men and their actions, which is rampant throughout Scripture, and even Jesus did so. He said,

"If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

He wanted us to understand that God is similar to us and yet greater than us (since He is God).

He is God and God is infinitely above the best of our imaginations - unless we getto see Him.

Jesus said that no man had seen God (before He came to the earth). He came to declare The Father to us and to describe Him in detail.

We can only begin to understand God in the eternal life.

This is true. We will spend the ages to come just studying the riches of His Grace towards us in our earthly life.

Ephesians 2:7
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

We only listen and obey and accept the scripture without denying how he describes himself, without distorting the words or trying to interpret it, without being anthropomorphic, and without comparing him to anything. By doing this we do maintain our belief that God is a thing

Just one problem with that: the Koran is NOT Scripture. It is not from God. If it were, it would line up with His Holy Scriptures. It doesn't.

God has power over everything. Why did God do such a thing? God needs not attain what He did by lowering himself or weakening Himself. Just because it is possible for God to have a son or come in as Human does not mean it fits his glory or majesty.

He chose to sacrifice His Son to pay the debt for your sin. The Bible says the wages of sin is death. The soul that sins will die. Jesus said that if you believe in Him you will not die.

Christ (Maseeh) the son of Mary was no more than an Apostle; many were the Apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth.

That which was begotten in her (Christ Jesus) was put there by God. He is God's Only Begotten Son.

If God had another earth with another creation like us must He sent Jesus to be murdered in that earth too?

Nope. The Bible says that He died ONCE for ALL.

And God is fair - what about those who have not heard about this lamb of sacrifice?

They will be treated justly by The King of Justice.

What about those before Christ?

He preached this gospel to them and those who received it are in Heaven.

The only way I could purify myself is through God's mercy and grace.

You cannot become purified from your sins without Jesus' Blood.

Why did God create Eve for Adam when He thought Adam needed Eve? Adam would have been satisfied with God?

He made her to keep Adam company. He said it wasn't good that Adam should be alone.

 

[Jedidiah]

But a fundamental principle in Islam is that we cannot imagine God in any shape or form. He is not comparable with anything. He is God and God is infinitely above the best of our imaginations - unless we getto see Him. We can only begin to understand God in the eternal life. Our purpose here is not to explore the nature of God. That's impossible. We only listen and obey and accept the scripture without denying how he describes himself, without distorting the words or trying to interpret it, without being anthropomorphic, and without comparing him to anything. By doing this we do maintain our belief that God is a thing...

What do you make of this: "Then he further asked, "What is Ihsan (perfection)?" Allah's Apostle replied, "To worship Allah as if you see Him...."

...God has power over everything. Why did God do such a thing? God needs not attain what He did by lowering himself or weakening Himself...

And yet that's what He did. So, you're incorrect.

...Just because it is possible for God to have a son or come in as Human does not mean it fits his glory or majesty.

They say: "Allah has begotten a Son". Glory be to Him! His is what the heavens and the earth contain; all things are obedient to Him. Creator of the heavens and the earth! When he decrees a thing, He need only say "Be", and it is.
—Qur'an 2:116

They say, ‘God has begotten a son.’ God forbid! Self-sufficient is He. His is all that the heavens and the earth contain. Surely for this you have no sanction. Whould you say of God what you know not?
—Qur’an 10:68

Such was Jesus, the son of Mary. That is the whole truth, which they still doubt. God forbid that He Himself should beget a son! When He decrees a thing He need only say: ‘Be,’ and it is.
—Qur’an 19:35

Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
—Qur’an 19:88

They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ (Maseeh): "O children of Israel! worship Allah my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah Allah will forbid him the garden and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy) verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
Why turn they not to Allah and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.
Christ (Maseeh) the son of Mary was no more than an Apostle; many were the Apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth makes His Signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
Say: Will ye worship besides Allah something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah He it is that heareth and knoweth all things."
Say: "O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper) trespassing beyond the truth nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by who misled many and strayed (themselves) from the even way.
—Qur’an 5:72-77...

Arianism.

...Yes. We do not deny this or distort this. Neither do we try to interpret it or compare God with creation.

That's not OK with God. Jesus (pbuh) never claimed He was God. He only spoke for God just like Muhammad (pbuh) spoke for God through the Koran...

It's not either/or, but both. He did claim to be God, and, He spoke for God. Trinity.

...If God had another earth with another creation like us must He sent Jesus to be murdered in that earth too? Use your reason. God is a universal God. And God is fair - what about those who have not heard about this lamb of sacrifice? What about those before Christ?...

These objections are all countered and answered with the Church's mandate to preach the Gospel.

...I say the ways of God does not change through time or space. He is One for all...

But we do change through time and space, and God knows this and works with this fact. He doesn't deny it.

...The only way I could purify myself is through God's mercy and grace.After all He is Most-Forgiving and the Purifier. No one questions what He does.

Why did God create Eve for Adam when He thought Adam needed Eve? Adam would have been satisfied with God?

I do not deny that God's presence is enough as reward and as a purpose in eternal life.

Without Christ you have no life. Really? So the millions of people who have not heard of Christ is doomed along with those before Christ?

Again, that's why we preach the Gospel.

 

[Repentance]

That's fine... I don't see where imagining God has no shape or form will harm you; but He said in His Word that He created man in His Image and Likeness. We look like God. Someone who has a photo of themself would say, "Here is my 'image' or 'likeness.' We know this because God had holy men write down what He inspired them to write.He is above, yes, but He can be compared to men and their actions, which is rampant throughout Scripture, and even Jesus did so. He said,

"If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

He wanted us to understand that God is similar to us and yet greater than us (since He is God).Jesus said that no man had seen God (before He came to the earth). He came to declare The Father to us and to describe Him in detail.This is true. We will spend the ages to come just studying the riches of His Grace towards us in our earthly life.

Ephesians 2:7
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

So you imagine God like an image of a human, or you imagine the first human to be an image of God in a physical bodily sense. That's very odd to be honest. Does God have our eyes to see and our ears to hear? Is he bound to space and time? Is he physically sitting in a throne? How does he know what's in our hearts? How can he be everywhere? That's negating all of this. You can't say that we cannot understand God while maintaining what you believe. That's like saying that the sun is a planet but you won't be able to understand how the sun is how the sun is. That's absurd.

Just one problem with that: the Koran is NOT Scripture. It is not from God. If it were, it would line up with His Holy Scriptures.

How does the Quran contradict the OT? The OT never talks about a lamb of sacrifice once and for all. Neither does it talk of any Trinity. The Quran fits the OT 100%. Its the writings of Paul and his followers that does not match Scripture. Also I find it odd that fallible humans had to chose what's in the canon of holy Scripture and what's not. You'll can't still agree what's in and what's out. Plus how can there be corruption with the word of God in such a magnitude as the comma Johanneus without God doing something about it?

It doesn't. He chose to sacrifice His Son to pay the debt for your sin. The Bible says the wages of sin is death. The soul that sins will die. Jesus said that if you believe in Him you will not die.

What about those before Christ? What about those who have not heard of Christ? Why didn't God sacrifice his Son once and for all from the beginning? What about those before Christ and outside the houses of Israel? Pauline Christianity is not a universal message I'm sad to say.

That which was begotten in her (Christ Jesus) was put there by God. He is God's Only Begotten Son.

No! Where is this taught in the NT? Begotten? Its a mistranslation. It should mean "one of a kind"

Nope. The Bible says that He died ONCE for ALL.

So you believe that God's creation is limited to one earth and one race of creation in the image of God?

And what exactly is death for Christ, the Word and Son of God? Its absurd that his soul leaving the body of Jesus of Nazareth is termed death.

They will be treated justly by The King of Justice.

How? They know of no lamb of sacrifice? And no original sin! How can Christainity be universal? Plus isnt there any other scripture before Christ other than what was sent to the Israelites? What about others

He made her to keep Adam company. He said it wasn't good that Adam should be alone.

But didn't you say that with the presence of God we would be good and enough?

 

[Repentance]

​

What do you make of this: "Then he further asked, "What is Ihsan (perfection)?" Allah's Apostle replied, "To worship Allah as if you see Him...."

"... and even if you do not see Him he sees you" - this is from the hadith of Gabriel and is the most important hadith in Islam. But why copy paste just that part and why is that a problem?

1) "There is nothing whatever like unto Him." [Al-Qur’an 42:11]

2) "No vision can grasp Him But His grasp is over All vision: He is Above all comprehension, Yet is acquainted with all things." [Al-Qur’an 6:103]

1 sets our the principle in Sunni Islam that nothing whatsover in our mind resembles God in anyway. We just cannot compare him with anything. 2 makes it clear that we cannot see Him as he truly is and even in the everlasting life we won't grasp him 100% in vision.

There is also a saying in the Quran : "Everywhere you turn you see the Face of God" - I've forgotten the reference. The divine countenance just means the presence of God - the sight and hearing of God is everywhere.

I shall summarise for you the view of the majority of Sunni Islam in this topic:

God is the first and there was nothing before him. He is an absolutely unity and very unlike his creation in all respects. He created the heavens and the earth and all whats in it before arising over his throne in the way that fits His majesty. Picture a ring in a vast desert. That ring is the kursi of Allah and it encompasses the earth and the seven heavens which are one in top of the other. The ring is comparable to the desert as the Kursi is to the Throne of God. And above the Throne is several veils of light that encircles all creation. This is the hijab or veil of God. When a thing is veiled up we can only imagine the veil and the shape when we recall that thing. So when we recall God we can imagine the glorious hijab of Allah which is light upon light. That's is what is in the mind's eye. Allah is not only in this space-limited and temporal world - His Presence, Knowledge and Power is felt but He is above the heavens. If He were to lift his veil we would all burn with the rest of creation. And Allah knows best.

 

[Jedidiah]

"... and even if you do not see Him he sees you" - this is from the hadith of Gabriel and is the most important hadith in Islam. But why copy paste just that part...

Because you're an "18 year old know-it-all Muslim," and because you said this:

...a fundamental principle in Islam is that we cannot imagine God in any shape or form...

...and why is that a problem?...

Because it seems you contradict "the most important hadith in Islam."

...1) "There is nothing whatever like unto Him."...

Agreed.

... [Al-Qur’an 42:11]

2) "No vision can grasp Him But His grasp is over All vision: He is Above all comprehension, Yet is acquainted with all things."...

Agreed.

... [Al-Qur’an 6:103]

1 sets our the principle in Sunni Islam that nothing whatsover in our mind resembles God in anyway. We just cannot compare him with anything. 2 makes it clear that we cannot see Him as he truly is...

What does "the most important hadith in Islam" mean then, when it says, "...worship Allah as if you see Him...," if "we cannot see Him."

...and even in the everlasting life we won't grasp him 100% in vision.

There is also a saying in the Quran : "Everywhere you turn you see the Face of God" - I've forgotten the reference. The divine countenance just means the presence of God - the sight and hearing of God is everywhere...

Agreed. But again, how can you defend this when you say, "We cannot see Him."

...I shall summarise for you the view of the majority of Sunni Islam in this topic:

God is the first and there was nothing before him. He is an absolutely unity and very unlike his creation in all respects. He created the heavens and the earth and all whats in it before arising over his throne in the way that fits His majesty. Picture a ring in a vast desert. That ring is the kursi of Allah and it encompasses the earth and the seven heavens which are one in top of the other. The ring is comparable to the desert as the Kursi is to the Throne of God. And above the Throne is several veils of light that encircles all creation. This is the hijab or veil of God. When a thing is veiled up we can only imagine the veil and the shape when we recall that thing. So when we recall God we can imagine the glorious hijab of Allah which is light upon light. That's is what is in the mind's eye. Allah is not only in this space-limited and temporal world - His Presence, Knowledge and Power is felt but He is above the heavens. If He were to lift his veil we would all burn with the rest of creation. And Allah knows best.

God revealed a great mystery when He came in the flesh.

 

[Repentance]

​

Because you're an "18 year old know-it-all Muslim," and because you said this:

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Because it seems you contradict "the most important hadith in Islam."

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Agreed.

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Agreed.

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What does "the most important hadith in Islam" mean then, when it says, "...worship Allah as if you see Him...," if "we cannot see Him."

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Agreed. But again, how can you defend this when you say, "We cannot see Him."

​

God revealed a great mystery when He came in the flesh.

As if we see Him. Do we?

 

[Jedidiah]

As if we see Him. Do we?

You tell me.

...we cannot see Him...

..."Everywhere you turn you see the Face of God"...

 

[Repentance]

You tell me.

When I do salaah and ask dua I worship God AS if I see Him.

Everywhere I turn I see the face of God. I feel the presence of God.

 

[Daedalean's_Sun]

Difference of opinion.

I'm only asking for yours.

Blasphemy is banned under the law of God. No one can criticise the religion unless it is through a platform of dialogue/debate. A book is not a good platform for discussion/dialogue/debate.

And what if they do? Is the punishment death?

 

[Aimiel]

So you imagine God like an image of a human, or you imagine the first human to be an image of God in a physical bodily sense.

I don't have to imagine God. I have Him living inside of me. I know Him, personally.

Does God have our eyes to see and our ears to hear?

Do you think He is blind or deaf?

Is he bound to space and time?

Of course not... He invented time and space.

Is he physically sitting in a throne?

He is Spirit. He is everywhere, all at once.

How does he know what's in our hearts?

He knows everything.

How can he be everywhere?

He is God.

You can't say that we cannot understand God while maintaining what you believe.

No one can give God counsel. No one knows all that God does. God Alone is God.

How does the Quran contradict the OT?

God said that His Son would inherit David's Throne and be God for ever and ever.

The OT never talks about a lamb of sacrifice once and for all.

That's because God kept that a mystery until the day of crucifixion.

The Quran fits the OT 100%.

No. It contradicts way more than you have imagined.

Its the writings of Paul and his followers that does not match Scripture.

Paul actually was inspired to write what he did. It's Scripture, the same as the rest of the NT is.

Also I find it odd that fallible humans had to chose what's in the canon of holy Scripture and what's not.

The five books Moses wrote were chosen by humans, after Moses died.

What about those before Christ? What about those who have not heard of Christ? Why didn't God sacrifice his Son once and for all from the beginning?

He planned His death from before the foundation of the earth was laid.

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

No! Where is this taught in the NT? Begotten? Its a mistranslation. It should mean "one of a kind"

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I am an 'adopted' son of God. Jesus is The Only Begotten. Your information is a lie. Jesus is God's Actual Son. That which was conceived in Mary was put there by The Holy Ghost.

So you believe that God's creation is limited to one earth and one race of creation in the image of God?

For now.

I'll post more later.

 

[Repentance]

I don't have to imagine God. I have Him living inside of me. I know Him, personally.

That's good but you're like many many other Christians contradicting yourself.

You said: That's fine... I don't see where imagining God has no shape or form will harm you; but He said in His Word that He created man in His Image and Likeness. We look like God. Someone who has a photo of themself would say, "Here is my 'image' or 'likeness.' We know this because God had holy men write down what He inspired them to write

We look like God? What do you mean "look"? Do you "look" at a "body"? You do, and so when you imagine God you picture/feel him with your eyes too? You picture Jesus radiating light, like a picture or an idol in your mind's eye? If so then THAT is idolatry.

Do you think He is blind or deaf?Of course not...

If he looks like us, that would mean He sees like us and hears us like.

He invented time and space.

Yeah, but if he looks like us he would need time and space.

He is Spirit.

If He looks like us, he wouldn't be spirit

He is everywhere, all at once.

Like in pantheism or panentheism? Then why is Jesus called the incarnation of God? If He is everywhere, he surely must be in places of darkness and filth?

And if He looks like us, how can he be everywhere?

I do not believe He is everywhere. I only believe that by his Knowledge and power He is everywhere and not by His essence.

He knows everything.

If he looks like us then he gains knowledge like us too?

No one can give God counsel. No one knows all that God does.

He is not like us in anyway, form or shape.

God Alone is God.

God is of One essence. God is Simple in essence and all his attributes are of One essence. He does not share His Kingdom with anyone and everything other than Him is created by Him.

God said that His Son would inherit David's Throne and be God for ever and ever.

You mean the Son of Man will usurp His Father's throne?

That's because God kept that a mystery until the day of crucifixion.

A God like this is not worthy of being worshipped. He kept the Trinity a secret, He kept His Son a secret...there is something fishy with that. I don't understand why you don't see it. I think it's because of your environment and company.

No. It contradicts way more than you have imagined.

Negative

Paul actually was inspired to write what he did.

So was Muhammad (pbuh) in what He spoke. I trust Muhammad (pbuh) more than a fallen church.

It's Scripture, the same as the rest of the NT is.

Most of the writers are unknown and most did not know that one day their writings would be collectly into a canon, in the expense of thousands of other such writings floating around. And they clearly limited their audience and scope, for they thought that Jesus would soon return

The five books Moses wrote were chosen by humans, after Moses died.

What about the books of the NT? Under what criterion were they chosen. We know that there was a lot of infighting and disputes within the church

He planned His death from before the foundation of the earth was laid.

That shows why Christianity is not a universal religion. If God had another earth with another creation like us, he would have had to send Jesus to be killed again there to as a lamb of sacrifice.

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B]Revelation 13:8[/B]
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

??

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God so loved the world/Israel, that he gave his son/prophet monogenes (not begotten, but special Messiah), that whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

* Those who have not heard about Jesus are unfairly deprived of this gift.
*Those before Christ would be angry to be left out in this great bargain
*Ezekiel 18:20 <== no one can bear the burden of another
* The coming of a Messiah/Christ/prophet was only known to the children of Israel.

The Quran is the only scripture that actually claims to be from God and gives a theory of prophethood that transcends all nations including that of Israel. St.Paul should not have given it to the dogs/gentiles.

I am an 'adopted' son of God. Jesus is The Only Begotten. Your information is a lie. Jesus is God's Actual Son.

Prove it. The Bible does NOT say that he is begotten (change your translation). The Bible does NOT say that he is God's only son (in fact many other people were called sons of God).

Furthermore it is not fitting that God should adopt a family, or children. He wouldn't punish his children, would he? And the relationship between us and God is NOT like father and son. God is WAY above that.

That which was conceived in Mary was put there by The Holy Ghost.

So also was Isaac born from Sarah, does that make him a Son of God? Yes, it does!