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And in your mind, is that moral and just? To kill a blasphemer of Islam? Someone who writes a book criticizing Islam or Muhammad?
This is dangerous terrain for a Christian...

For Christians should know that according to Mosaic Law too, a blasphemer is to be put to death.

If its immoral, and as God's ways doesn't change, it is forever immoral...

Edit: Sorry, thought you were a Christian, anyway...

Reason/sense of morality changes from time to time, society to society, individual to individual. There is no objective standard to judge morality. Instead mankind adapts to changes, and likewise adapts their sense of morality to suit the times. Who are they trying to please? They are trying to please the majority, they want to give each and one of them a sense of liberty - do what you will unless it harms other conscious beings. This is not and never will be the ethos of the believers in God, the servant of God. We will never decide on something after God has passed his judgement. God is not a force of imperialism, God is only a force of love, hope and justice. God only wants to prove to us, that some of us are friends of Him and some of us share the same qualities that led to the downfall of Iblis. God has given us free-will but at the same time, the friends of satan cannot share the pleasure of God. They are of this earth, and their only life is on earth. At the same time we require the God-given sense or reason and rationality to judge and accept the truth of prophethood and scripture.
 
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Well, I might be wrong - but I think that the God of the Trinitarians, of St.Paul is not more merciful, and gracious and compassionate than Yahweh, the God of Abraham. Because its very clear that if we are loyal to One God of Abraham, then we only need to repent of our sins and turn ourselves to the face of God and He would purify us, forgive us and have mercy on us himself. He will rebirth us in the straight path of righteousness. The Merciful God does not need to a blood (sin) sacrifice - mercy is enshrined into divine justice that encompasses the universe. God's love is greater than what we think of it - Love needs no sacrifice, it is unconditional to those who accept the lover into their lives. The wages of sin is death, but God the Purifier has all the power over sin.
Indeed, He even has power over your own, and Muslims like you also, ignorant rejection of My Lord Jesus Christ as your Lord. You know of Him, and because of your being deceived, you reject Him and His Gospel ("Good News") of the End of the world. We don't experience any fear or anxiety when we think of the future. We're going to spend forever after in the kingdom of God, the new heaven and the new earth. It looks like My Lord is going to enable us in our new bodies to shuttle easily between heaven and earth. Sounds like it's going to be pretty neat.
 

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The Sacrifice Was Made through Christ Jesus. Again, you assume to "know" what God 'needs' or requires. but you're getting your information from the wrong source. that's why nothing seems to make sense to you - :patrol:
According to the Tanach, it is not what is according to the plan of God. Repentance is easy as God is Merciful.
 

Jedidiah

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This is dangerous terrain for a Christian...

For Christians should know that according to Mosaic Law too, a blasphemer is to be put to death.

If its immoral, and as God's ways doesn't change, it is forever immoral...
That's not a Christian, unless you're suggesting that DsS is a Christian masquerading as an atheist ? :think:
 

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This is dangerous terrain for a Christian...

For Christians should know that according to Mosaic Law too, a blasphemer is to be put to death.

If its immoral, and as God's ways doesn't change, it is forever immoral...
Jesus tempered His righteousness, as I said above, with mercy and grace which we all need.
Romans 3:23 says we all have sinned and fall short of God's glory.
 

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We both know that My Lord Jesus Christ is going to return a Second time, and He is going to judge the living and the dead, and the fact is, I already know the verdict for me, and you don't know what it is for you. :(

Why would you follow a religion that mentions this Judge, pays Him homage -- this Judge Who's going to judge you on Resurrection Day -- rather than believe the Gospel that My Lord Himself planted in this earth over 600 years before your Prophet appeared. Your Prophet was pointing you and everybody like you to My Lord.

are you talking to a mirror ? or just Every Christian, ever ? - :patrol:
 

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We both know that My Lord Jesus Christ is going to return a Second time, and He is going to judge the living and the dead, and the fact is, I already know the verdict for me, and you don't know what it is for you. :(

Why would you follow a religion that mentions this Judge, pays Him homage -- this Judge Who's going to judge you on Resurrection Day -- rather than believe the Gospel that My Lord Himself planted in this earth over 600 years before your Prophet appeared. Your Prophet was pointing you and everybody like you to My Lord.

Does that mean you have a license to sin, only satan gives you a license to sin! Even Christians disagree over each other, who is gonna get saved and who is not. Kinda ludicrous to assume salvation when you'll can't even agree with each other.

As for us, the followers of Abraham, and the worshippers of the God of Abraham - we don't even need "saving". Original sin is unfounded in the Torah, and we are born innocent and free in the straight path of righteousness. We trust all our affairs into God the Creator, the Lord of the Universe. We are loyal to Yahweh forever, we walk with the God of Abraham day in, day out. And we also believe that God is Most Merciful, forgiver of all sin.

Only satan promises success without the need to do anything but believe in some historical event. Only satan promises salvation that is totally inaccessible to those who have not heard of Christ. Only satan promises salvation that is not universal - Jesus would have to be killed in all the earths across the universe rp guarantee all salvation.Only satan promises salvation in believing in a concept that is alien to the gentiles, and to the insane, and to children. For them we say be loyal to God and God will take care of you. Simply. Why blaspheme God as a Trinity, as taking sons, as murdering his own son.
 

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We both know that My Lord Jesus Christ is going to return a Second time, and He is going to judge the living and the dead, and the fact is, I already know the verdict for me, and you don't know what it is for you. :(

Why would you follow a religion that mentions this Judge, pays Him homage -- this Judge Who's going to judge you on Resurrection Day -- rather than believe the Gospel that My Lord Himself planted in this earth over 600 years before your Prophet appeared. Your Prophet was pointing you and everybody like you to My Lord.


we ALL Know YOUR Lord will Return. Christ ! ! ! Jesus may take a moment to tell You, In Person, He never Knew YOU - :patrol:
 

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I know whom I haue beleeued, and I am perswaded that he is able to keepe that which I haue committed vnto him against that day.
 

Lon

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Does that mean you have a license to sin, only satan gives you a license to sin! Even Christians disagree over each other, who is gonna get saved and who is not. Kinda ludicrous to assume salvation when you'll can't even agree with each other.
Some do. A lot of us get along really well too, even on TOL.

As for us, the followers of Abraham, and the worshippers of the God of Abraham - we don't even need "saving". Original sin is unfounded in the Torah, and we are born innocent and free in the straight path of righteousness.
:think: Interesting. So you had classes on how to lie? Have you ever lied? Stolen? No sin at all? You are perfect?

.... And we also believe that God is Most Merciful, forgiver of all sin.
This doesn't make sense with what you just said above. You lost me.

Only satan promises success without the need to do anything but believe in some historical event.
On this particular, Christians differ a bit. Becoming a Christian is a supernatural event where God places Himself inside a person. Christ's death, burial, and resurrection is the process He chose.

Only satan promises salvation that is totally inaccessible to those who have not heard of Christ.
I knew I sinned and needed forgiveness as a very young child. I had done things I was not supposed to do. Jesus Christ is accessible to all. There are few people who have never heard the name of Christ. Virtually all on the planet have access to Bibles and radios with Christian messages.


Only satan promises salvation that is not universal
Not even Muslims promise universal or no one would be beheaded or exiled. Why would you accuse Christians of this?


Jesus would have to be killed in all the earths across the universe rp guarantee all salvation.Only satan promises salvation in believing in a concept that is alien to the gentiles, and to the insane, and to children.
God has a special place for these:
Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." http://biblehub.com/matthew/19-15.htm
For them we say be loyal to God and God will take care of you. Simply. Why blaspheme God as a Trinity, as taking sons, as murdering his own son.
He did what He had to do, to redeem us. We are stubborn and strong-headed. God did what He had to do, to reach us in our lostness. A message of incredible love and sacrifice, can and does get our attention. God would do whatever it took, to get our attention and He did through Jesus Christ.
 

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I'll print it out for you:
Joh 8:1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
Joh 8:2 Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them.
Joh 8:3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst
Joh 8:4 they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery.
Joh 8:5 Now in the Law Moses commands us to stone such women. So what do you say?"
Joh 8:6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground.
Joh 8:7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."
Joh 8:8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground.
Joh 8:9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him.
Joh 8:10 Jesus stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
Joh 8:11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more."
Joh 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

God's demand for righteousness is tempered with mercy and grace because we all need it. None of us can deserve the favor of a God when we have all sinned and fall short. Mercy and grace allows for our falling and stumbling, that we might rise above sins.

This story is a fabrication. That's what they won't talk about in your churches. Look it up.
 

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Some do. A lot of us get along really well too, even on TOL.

So that breaks off that argument. Hell, even the atheists claim that they are gonna have no problems after death. That doesn't make them right. That doesn't make atheism the best position of belief regarding God.


:think: Interesting. So you had classes on how to lie? Have you ever lied? Stolen? No sin at all? You are perfect?

We are all born innocent, just like Adam was created innocent. But those of us who allow the influence of evil from among demons and among men - then we have fallen into sin. All of us has, but for our own selves...

Ezekil 18:20 The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them

Adam sinned, so Adam had to pay. We do not bear the sin of our parents. We sin, so we must pay. We shouldn't expect someone else to pay for us. St.Paul was ignorant of this teaching.

This doesn't make sense with what you just said above. You lost me.

It does

On this particular, Christians differ a bit.

On most other things too, and they don't differ a "bit". They differ loads. This is unacceptable - God is not the author of confusion


Becoming a Christian is a supernatural event where God places Himself inside a person. Christ's death, burial, and resurrection is the process He chose.

The Messiah, Christ, was never prophesied to be the son of God - let alone God. The Son of Man speaks for God, and rules in the name of God. The teachings of St.Paul to the gentiles simply makes little to no ethos sense.


I knew I sinned and needed forgiveness as a very young child. I had done things I was not supposed to do. Jesus Christ is accessible to all. There are few people who have never heard the name of Christ. Virtually all on the planet have access to Bibles and radios with Christian messages.

Few? There are and were millions. If they also share original sin, that means your lord is very, very unfair! Think about this. This cannot be truth

Not even Muslims promise universal or no one would be beheaded or exiled. Why would you accuse Christians of this?

Islam is universal. The Qu'ran is the only popular book on earth that claims to be the word of God, and is mostly in the first person with God. The Qur'an is the only scripture that provides a theory of Prophethood that transcends all nations and tribes. The Tanach was for the children of Israel, God has many many other scriptures other than this. Consider this: an aborigine in Australia who has no contact with revelation is considered a Muslim if he believes in a Supreme God-King-Lord-Creator-Master.


God has a special place for these:
Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." http://biblehub.com/matthew/19-15.htm

True that


He did what He had to do, to redeem us. We are stubborn and strong-headed. God did what He had to do, to reach us in our lostness. A message of incredible love and sacrifice, can and does get our attention. God would do whatever it took, to get our attention and He did through Jesus Christ.

St.Paul's teaching is a message of condemnation and damnation. It teaches us that we are all born in sin because of our father Adam. It teaches us that the wages of sin is death, and thus we all have to die for that. It teaches us that God killed himself for that blood sacrifice. It gives the symbol of the cross - an instrument of torture. It is a message of damnation, blood.

The God of Abraham teaches us that we are all born free and in the straight path. That satan is our enemy and we must escape his traps and never befriends him. That we must give up the qualities that we share with the demons. And we would be successful in both this life and the next. True Islam is a message of mercy, peace, and true love.
 

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This is dangerous terrain for a Christian...

For Christians should know that according to Mosaic Law too, a blasphemer is to be put to death.

If its immoral, and as God's ways doesn't change, it is forever immoral...

Edit: Sorry, thought you were a Christian, anyway...

Reason/sense of morality changes from time to time, society to society, individual to individual. There is no objective standard to judge morality. Instead mankind adapts to changes, and likewise adapts their sense of morality to suit the times. Who are they trying to please? They are trying to please the majority, they want to give each and one of them a sense of liberty - do what you will unless it harms other conscious beings. This is not and never will be the ethos of the believers in God, the servant of God. We will never decide on something after God has passed his judgement. God is not a force of imperialism, God is only a force of love, hope and justice. God only wants to prove to us, that some of us are friends of Him and some of us share the same qualities that led to the downfall of Iblis. God has given us free-will but at the same time, the friends of satan cannot share the pleasure of God. They are of this earth, and their only life is on earth. At the same time we require the God-given sense or reason and rationality to judge and accept the truth of prophethood and scripture.
 

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Does that mean you have a license to sin, only satan gives you a license to sin! Even Christians disagree over each other, who is gonna get saved and who is not. Kinda ludicrous to assume salvation when you'll can't even agree with each other.

We aren't killing other christians who disagree with us, muslims do that, though don't they?
 

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This is dangerous terrain for a Christian...
For Christians should know that according to Mosaic Law too, a blasphemer is to be put to death.

If its immoral, and as God's ways doesn't change, it is forever immoral...

Edit: Sorry, thought you were a Christian, anyway...

Reason/sense of morality changes from time to time, society to society, individual to individual. There is no objective standard to judge morality. Instead mankind adapts to changes, and likewise adapts their sense of morality to suit the times. Who are they trying to please? They are trying to please the majority, they want to give each and one of them a sense of liberty - do what you will unless it harms other conscious beings. This is not and never will be the ethos of the believers in God, the servant of God. We will never decide on something after God has passed his judgement. God is not a force of imperialism, God is only a force of love, hope and justice. God only wants to prove to us, that some of us are friends of Him and some of us share the same qualities that led to the downfall of Iblis. God has given us free-will but at the same time, the friends of satan cannot share the pleasure of God. They are of this earth, and their only life is on earth. At the same time we require the God-given sense or reason and rationality to judge and accept the truth of prophethood and scripture.


Thanks For The Warning
 

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This story is a fabrication. That's what they won't talk about in your churches. Look it up.
No, they won't say this is a fabrication. Give me a link. Do Muslims make it up, if they hear something they don't want to hear? I 'think' that Muslims believe Jesus was a good teacher AND THEN when they read something that doesn't jive, they have to call it a fabrication?

Other than hearing similar things from other Muslims, I've really never heard anything like this, not even from Atheists who deny both the Bible and the Quran.
 

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So that breaks off that argument. Hell, even the atheists claim that they are gonna have no problems after death. That doesn't make them right. That doesn't make atheism the best position of belief regarding God.
You are still young yet. Muslims aren't all on the same page either. Thankfully, there are a LOT of Muslims that believe ISIS is horribly wrong and do not have the mind of God.


We are all born innocent, just like Adam was created innocent. But those of us who allow the influence of evil from among demons and among men - then we have fallen into sin. All of us has, but for our own selves...
Catholics agree with you. I don't, but I have kids. They were good, but they were no angels. They sinned from early on.

On most other things too, and they don't differ a "bit". They differ loads. This is unacceptable - God is not the author of confusion
Oh, so you 'agree' with ISIS.... If not, look in the mirror. You are seeing stars and black and white where this is a lot of dark behind stars, and grays. In other words, Muslims are not as in agreement as you claim. IF you didn't know better (and I think you don't, but are just young) it'd be a lie and a wicked accusation about another group, that your own group is also guilty of. Zeal is a good thing, but zeal without knowledge is only for your youth. Knowledge must temper zeal with truth.
John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.


The Messiah, Christ, was never prophesied to be the son of God - let alone God. The Son of Man speaks for God, and rules in the name of God. The teachings of St.Paul to the gentiles simply makes little to no ethos sense.
In seeking the truth, you will either have to believe what the Quran and Muslim traditions tell you about it, or you will have to read it for yourself.
That choice is yours.

Few? There are and were millions. If they also share original sin, that means your lord is very, very unfair! Think about this. This cannot be truth
As I said, there is no need for Muslims to kill anybody, if you believed that. They would want all to come to Allah. You cannot point a finger at one religion when your own religion is the same or worse. That's called hypocrisy.



Islam is universal. The Qu'ran is the only popular book on earth that claims to be the word of God, and is mostly in the first person with God.
:nono:Do some Googling. The Bible is the most translated book on the planet AND sales in the billions rather than millions, as other religious books.


The Qur'an is the only scripture that provides a theory of Prophethood that transcends all nations and tribes.
You sound like a commercial. This isn't true either. Deuteronomy 13 and 18 explain what is and isn't a prophet, among other scriptures in the Bible.

The Tanach was for the children of Israel, God has many many other scriptures other than this. Consider this: an aborigine in Australia who has no contact with revelation is considered a Muslim if he believes in a Supreme God-King-Lord-Creator-Master.
But not if he is a Christian :doh: And again, there is no need for putting any to death if universalism were true in Islam. You must think logically and rationally: Muslims do not believe in universalism either, or they would never kill another human being.


St.Paul's teaching is a message of condemnation and damnation. It teaches us that we are all born in sin because of our father Adam. It teaches us that the wages of sin is death, and thus we all have to die for that. It teaches us that God killed himself for that blood sacrifice. It gives the symbol of the cross - an instrument of torture. It is a message of damnation, blood.
You are sounding like a Muslim commercial again. The message doesn't resemble damnation at all.

The God of Abraham teaches us that we are all born free and in the straight path. That satan is our enemy and we must escape his traps and never befriends him. That we must give up the qualities that we share with the demons. And we would be successful in both this life and the next. True Islam is a message of mercy, peace, and true love.
Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
 
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