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Tear down a monument to the preserver of the Union and the man who, his own failings notwithstanding, ended slavery? That wouldn't make much sense, would it? A bit like defending monuments commemorating the men who attempted to destroy that union and perpetuate slavery. History isn't the issue...

We don't have a single statue honoring one in my county. There are parks and plaques noting historical occurrences from the war, which is preserving history. Not a single monument to one of the losers though. Which is little more than a historical marker unless you think graves are celebratory...

A replacement for Tam's most recent ode to institutionalized racism would be statues of Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner, the three civil rights workers murdered in Mississippi for attempting to help people register to vote.

Another potential replacement for one of Tam's spamtastic statues would be a group of nine figures representing more recent victims of the mindset in Charleston.

Since Tam is determined to photo spam the thread in defense of monuments to racism I'm going to make helpful suggestions for replacements of the monuments that will, all lamentations notwithstanding, go. We should replace one with a likeness of Emmett Till, a fourteen year old black boy who...

So Tam continues the folly. But she is on the wrong side of history as surely as my cousin was on the wrong side of that war. Lee I'm certain knew better. Does Tam?

All the marble in the world won't alter the truth it mistakenly attempts to ennoble or the stench of the corruption underneath it, Tam. You should attempt to join the discourse instead of burying it, unless you mean to continue to illustrate the folly of the effort and its aim.

In a way, her efforts are appropriate. When you can't argue the cause, bury it under a lovely statue. Institutionalize a sort of respect for the disreputable and insinuate it into the fabric of a culture.

Yes, Tam. Those are well made and impressive. What they represent, however, wasn't. Recall the tragedy of those men and their efforts, but as they were and as it was, without ennobling the ignoble.

A number of people have been commenting elsewhere in the public square on the nobility of my relative, the former Confederate general Robert E. Lee and suggesting his actions in relation to New Orleans outside of that war deserve a different treatment. They make the case for a number of good...

The actual quote from the source, and not the disreputable reassignment of Trump or Priebus, is a bit different. Speaking in 1996 on the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, she said: "Just as in a previous generation we had an organized effort against the mob. We need to take these...

Everybody notice CS cares enough about what AB thinks to post about it...which makes him nobody. :eek:

Because nothing says jerk like responding to a smiley and a bit of passive-aggressive narration with an apt description. :Plain: I also have to wonder, at this point, who doesn't see through your dog and pony show. No, but it's a lovely thought.

Champion a morally bankrupt cause wrapped in the robes of imaginary victimization and the rhetoric of outrage? We largely already did. And now he's president. :Plain:

I wrote: I don't have any real reason to suspect that degree of prejudice, but I would ask you to consider seriously why a flag that flew over one of the darker practices in our nation's history represents the South to you. What is there in that symbol to like? And dr reminded me why it's...

Breaking from my normal course of not commenting on his posts outside of remarks aimed at or relating to me, even the dictionary Sod quoted had this as the primary: "Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is...

I don't have any real reason to suspect that degree of prejudice, but I would ask you to consider seriously why a flag that flew over one of the darker practices in our nation's history represents the South to you. What is there in that symbol to like?

Yahoo's latest on the intelligence passed from President Trump to Russia: Donald Trump did not know where the intelligence he shared with Russian officials was from, the White House has revealed in an admission that stunned many in an already reeling Washington. The intelligence is said to...

If someone wants to buy the statues and put them in a museum I'm fine with that. If they want to put them around Gettysburg as part of the lesson, okay. . . and if they want to dump the lot of them into the Gulf of Mexico that'll work too. My grandmother was DAR and descended from the Lee line...

A few years back I started a thread comparing reports of other posters to a horse race. It began after chrysostom asked me about reports some time before that. His inquiry had me looking over the sum of that stuff and realizing how often I'd done it and the consideration altered my habit. So I...