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You can't refute an argument based on video evidence if you don't watch it. Land masses rise up and block the sun as it moves away into the distance over a flat earth. Again, why does the sun not get smaller over a spinning globe when it does indeed get farther away from the viewer? --Dave

Sun overhead. Sun at sunset. --Dave

I brought it up for the reason I stated but not to make it the subject of this debate. Did you view the video of the sunset? --Dave

Seeing the sunset through a 83 x power lens is obviously not the same as seeing just with your eye. Did you watch the video? --Dave

No, never :rotfl: --Dave

I didn't say it was literal I said that it means from one end of a flat earth to the other. See, you had to use a flat map to make your point. --Dave

I'm not going to argue with you about what atheists say about the universe. This thread is not about does God use chance at times or not. It's a good question but answering it is not what this debate is about. --Dave

I just put the sense of it. If you see it more sensibly then say it. --Dave

You can see exactly what FE is seeing just go buy a Nikon P900. The distortion is due to the haze or water density of the atmosphere we encounter when we magnify the horizon that far away with a 83 x power photo lens. The big question for me is, does perspective really determine what we see...

I read the link, doesn't change that from one end to the other means the same thing as from the four corners of the earth. --Dave

Judge, Judge, Judge, Gathered from one end to other is the same thing as from the four corners of as applied to the syntax of the verse this phrase is found in. We interpret scripture first by syntax then context then comparative texts. --Dave

Ok, let's do this. Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. This means from one end to another, this implies a flat earth in that a globe has no such...

If it were only that simple, unfortunately it's not. What is literal and what is not has been debated for centuries. --Dave

Debunking flat earth arguments or videos would require viewing them first and then showing where and explaining why they are wrong. That the sun follows the geometric plane with perspective into the horizon is a strong argument. A Nikon P900 83 x power camera is going to show us what we could...

This graph is a full geometric plane with perspective. It's made up of four separate flat planes. The top plane is parallel to the bottom plane and the side planes are parallel to each other. All objects that move away from us to the center eventually disappear into the horizon, the middle...

As I have stated to clarify my first comment: When chance is at the particle level it becomes the basis for the whole universe made up of particles. By chance this universe came into existence out of all the possible universes that could have resulted. By chance this planet produced all the...

God inspires men to write Men wrote from their perspective not God's perspective? Then what good is God's inspiring them if that did not give them his correct/true perspective? One can conclude that God's inspiration produced what was not correct/true. Why would God not tell us what was...

I agree with you that quantum mechanics does not automatically imply multiverses, but my point was that that is how it is being applied by those who believe in multiverses. And I am correct to say it's all by chance from an atheistic view. --Dave

Then go start a thread about about me, this ones about flat earth. The personal attack does not prove anything and makes the one doing look like they can't deal with the subject. I will get back to the subject, the arguments are what matter, and I will not respond to attacks on me personally...

So, God inspired man to write what was not really true. That works for Calvinists, but not the rationally minded. --Dave