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I get that you're primarily just presenting the arguments and whether you believe anything you posted there or not, the fact is that it was false and the person who produced it almost certainly knew that it was false when he produced it. As such it was a lie. Whether you believe the lie or not...

Dave, If a video that clearly depicts a ship disappearing over the curvature of the Earth convinces you that the Earth is flat, what argument could possibly be made that would convince you otherwise? You need to stop and think about whether you're stopping and thinking. You've gone from all...

Let me modify my statement and say that nearly all the flat earth websites (at least the ones I've happened across while debating this with you) seem to all be overtly Christian. One thing's for sure, it certainly isn't based on anything rational or in the slightest bit scientific. It's based...

You can change the number of posts displayed per page and drop it all the way down to 15 pages (I forget how). Not that it matters. Unless you have a slow internet connection, the more posts per page the better, if you ask me. Anyway, I can't argue with the notion that believing in a flat Earth...

Okay, first of all, the pic in your post is clearly a fake. But... Looming is just an extreme form of atmospheric refraction. It, in some cases, may be accompanied by a mirage (a reflection) of the sky between the observer and the distant object which would make an object look as if it is...

Only if you base you cosmology on cosmetic issues! :chuckle: No, missed that one. Got a post # ? I guarantee you that I've learned a great deal. I'm no good at playing devil's advocate, though. I just like learning the arguments I already agree with! (That's a joke!)

Excellent question! Every single thing you see, assuming you're looking at it through the Earth's atmosphere, is produced in your eyeball with light that has been refracted by the atmosphere. Everything from the Sun, Moon and stars to a distant skyline, to the computer screen in front of you...

True! True! FALSE! How many time will I need to post this for you to stop ignoring it? Effect of atmospheric refraction If the Earth were an airless world like the Moon, the above calculations would be accurate. However, Earth has an atmosphere of air, whose density and refractive index vary...

You're back to not responding to arguments, Dave. Repeating your position doesn't count as a substantive response. I am not avoiding anything! Remember this... Effect of atmospheric refraction If the Earth were an airless world like the Moon, the above calculations would be accurate. However...

I know they do! From the bottom up! That is PROOF that the Earth cannot be flat because things very simply would not do that if it were. No who's disregarding evidence? It is not too far away IF the Earth is flat! It's not even close to being too far away. It's not even too small! Something...

The same guy did this video too. It's even better!

Here's an outstanding video that shows that if the Earth is flat, Ontario Canada must be below sea level! (Similar to how that San Matteo bridge is below sea level but way worse. Also, it shows a continuous video of a rocket launch and satellite deployment showing, not only the curvature of the...

From the same exact satellites that create the maps that you use to get around town. Which reminds me of something... I was helping one of my daughters with a school project several years ago and we wanted to make a large map of the northeast part of the state of Oklahoma. I had an old map...

You can trace it out yourself, Dave. Get Google maps and trace it out. I did! My curve wasn't as smooth as the image on your map and the image on your map isn't as detailed as reality but my rough trace out came to be about 20,500 miles. The more detail the more miles and a more detailed course...

You can only see down the line of sight, Dave. It makes no difference whether you're using a telescope or not. The only way you can see past the horizon is if the light is being bent around the curve of the Earth. What you don't seem to grasp is that the implication of what you are saying is...

I'm not disregarding anything! And, yes atmospheric refraction it is being denied, or at the very least ignored. And yes atmospheric refraction most certainly does give sufficient curve to explain what is seen in that video. What CANNOT be explained at all by the flat earth folks is why the...

Dave, Just a quick question. What do flat earth folks think this is a picture of? See full resolution image HERE. How do we have high-resolution pictures of a place that doesn't exist?

Notice he went clockwise with Antarctica on his starboard side. Think it throught, Dave. Is that the way it would work if he went clockwise around the flat Earth? How would you keep an ice wall to you starboard (right) side if you were sailing clockwise (i.e. turning toward your starboard...

Not sure who this was aimed at but if it was intended for me, everything you said here is irrelevant.

I never said a word about mirages. A mirage would, in fact, be the opposite of what I said. A mirage happens when light is refracted up and away from the surface of the Earth. What I'm suggesting is the opposite of that. "Suggesting" being a generous word since atmospheric light diffraction...