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I'm back in! Thank you, Sherman, for all your help. The new site looks great!

The following, more or less formal, argument seeks to prove that the doctrine of Exhaustive Divine Foreknowledge cannot be true. I say that it is a "more or less" formal argument only because there are points within it that have not been formally established for the sake of brevity. You can only...

Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled. It's sort of stunning the percentage of the time that the passages Lon cites don't say anything that resembles the...

Okay, first of all, I'm sorry that this is hideously long! You don't even have to read it all, never mind respond to it all. Just read it through and post something that responds to it in general terms. Our two major points of disagreement remain the same... 1. TOTALLY random selection of the...

Okay, first of all, I'm sorry that this is hideously long! You don't even have to read it all, never mind respond to it all. Just read it through and post something that responds to it in general terms. Our two major points of disagreement remain the same... 1. TOTALLY random selection of the...

First of all I want to say that I somehow missed this post. I really wish they'd figure out how to get us back onto a forum that works properly. I'm very short on time and can't respond to your post point by point. There wouldn't be much point in doing so anyway because our disagreement isn't...

So what happens in such a system when the king hates God and doesn't care about following the law?

First, I should start by giving a brief explanation of what redshift is... Instead of merely looking at the bare light coming from distant objects through telescopes, one of the main techniques astronomers use to study distant celestial objects is to spread that light out into a spectrum. This...

My argument proves that the Earth cannot be flat without reference to anything the government has ever published, stated, claimed or spent one single dime of tax money on. It is based entirely and only on observations that you could make but refuse to do so and on 6th or 7th grade level math...

By the way... The same effect happens even if the measurements of the sun's angle are taken when the sun is high in the sky, although to a lesser degree. The disparity between the calculated distance between two points based on the angle of the sun above the horizon gets larger and larger as...

That was true for a long time but since the advent have space telescopes, things of improved dramatically. The following is from the Wikipedia article on the subject of stellar paralax... Space astrometry for parallax In 1989 the satellite Hipparcos was launched primarily for obtaining...

The apparent brightness of a source is inversely proportional to the square of its distance. So, in other words, lets say you have four identical light sources, one is right next to you, one is ten feet away, one is twenty feet away and the other thirty feet away. If the light that is ten feet...

You're an ignorant fool! They absolutely have used that theorem on thousands of stars and proven flat out that they are indeed thousands of light years away. Stellar Paralax In fact, it is the Pythagorean Theorem that tells us how far away the Sun itself is. Since we know through direct...

I'm saying that there is no rational reason why I need to do that. That's right and if anyone attempted to get you to prove biblically that the Earth was a round spinning ball orbiting the Sun, you'd be right to tell them that there is no reason for you to do that. Why? Because of the portion...

No, it doesn't make sense STP. Not everyone is lying to you about almost everything, which is precisely what one must believe in order to maintain for more than an hour that large percentages of people who work in any airospace, aviation, weather forcasting, astronomy, physics or government...

Obvious unless you're delusional and you think that almost everyone is lying to you about almost everything.

The curvature of the Earth is gradual enough at the human scale that it is below our sensory threshhold and so it looks and feels flat to us. So, simply thinking the Earth is flat out of shear ignorance isn't the problem. The problem stems from the fact that it doesn't take all that much to...

No, I do not have to show that! The bible is not a science text book. The point is that it does not teach that the Earth is flat, which is a good thing because if it did I could prove that the bible was false. Now, let's try again and see if we can give a straight answer to a really simple...

Tambora, If one could prove that the Earth could not possibly be flat and do so in a way that you could verify for yourself, would that be sufficient to persuade you that the Earth is not flat and that the bible does not teach that the Earth is flat?

Something tells me that such threads won't live as long as this one has! :chuckle: