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  1. Lon

    Could God destroy a human being?

    I've been in general agreement with Clete on this: God can do anything BUT if you mean "would that be consistent with His character?" then: "Good point. God in 'ability' can easily unmake us. 'God in His being, would/could He annihilate man?' and I might have to side with you." Will...
  2. Lon

    Answering old threads thread Part II

    Or vise versa, it literally is this: An argument from silence is a argument based on the absence of evidence. I said 'if' Derf felt that your argument had 'nothing' to do with the passage, he may have a point. Don't get cocky and read. I wasn't even talking to you! (Still love you, you...
  3. Lon

    Have I gone MAD???

    Maybe Clete has inside information, ever think about that! You don't know! :p (possibly died in Turkey, hanged but....)
  4. Lon

    Answering old threads thread Part II

    It'd show you understand what an argument from silence is, but didn't he give you scripture? Perhaps I see Derf's point if he is saying 'these scriptures have nothing to do with what you are asserting, you are effectively arguing an idea nowhere in scripture." 🤔 How important to the...
  5. Lon

    That's incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial, impassible, impeccable, and immutable! - Oct 23 2023

    "Morality" has confusing definitions (man-centered, one of a definition of man's values as central, also the reason I had a hard time with 'morals' relating to God in Clete's thread a bit ago). Regardless, there is no moral problem with not giving choice. Follow please: Jesus prayed "not...
  6. Lon

    Enduring to the end... not for us in the body of Christ

    Patience. From experience, "yes, if I'm not Mid Acts, a LOT of this I am (was) dense on." I believe I've finally grasped this from you and Clete and actually appreciate what you are saying. It took awhile. "Stupid" is okay but a horse-pill hard to get down. Do you have one of these...
  7. Lon

    Enduring to the end... not for us in the body of Christ

    Culminating with Megiddo, the annihilation and dispersion of Israel? Meh, I'm okay with the disagreement. I 'think' I'm picking up where you are headed so I don't think it pertinent. I believe the context strongly supports the take, so if you want to discuss it out ask but I believe at this...
  8. Lon

    Have I gone MAD???

    Thank you, actually good information for grasping what Mid Acts is, and what Mid Acts isn't. Appreciate it. I'm following so far, and yes, Calvinistic, but I have no problem with that. I've been labelled a Calvinist and a Mid Acts theologian specifically because of theology that agrees...
  9. Lon

    Answering old threads thread Part II

    :applaud: (I'm going to cut some) True Derf, you've made a mistake. As nice as I can say, you've made a blunder in your use of terms. An 'argument from silence' is fairly specific. Derf: I've made a few mistakes. It was either Right Divider or Judge Rightly that corrected my use of...
  10. Lon

    Enduring to the end... not for us in the body of Christ

    Meh, sorry, I'd hoped I might 'help' rather than hinder. Such was my desire but I've been working overtime, forgive the distraction. I'll just read it for a bit and get what you want me and others to get from the thread. I in NO WAY meant to hijack (at least when I'm awake, that's true)...
  11. Lon

    Can a Christian lose their salvation

    The question is, does God ever give one person one direction, and another a different direction? For instance, was Hosea told to marry a woman of ill-repute? Was Israel proper told not to do so? If so, THAT is an example of a 'contradiction' as that 'one person is told specifically one...
  12. Lon

    Enduring to the end... not for us in the body of Christ

    Yes, am aware. Granted I've not really looked at Mid Acts before last year, but I have this part down. All I was saying is that He'd been telling the disciples He was going to die. Agree, why I said "except Jesus" there. Right but you read it with me in Chapter 16, Peter took Him aside and...
  13. Lon

    Enduring to the end... not for us in the body of Christ

    Same book: Matthew 21From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. 22 Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke...
  14. Lon

    Enduring to the end... not for us in the body of Christ

    Kingdom, then and perhaps included "Death Burial Resurrection." Jesus certainly had this in mind. Disciples were very caught up in the Jewish Kingdom and coming of Messiah and had a difficult time grasping what He was telling them. You are not alone on the full spectrum of...
  15. Lon

    Enduring to the end... not for us in the body of Christ

    The spread of the gospel and its consequences as well as the violence amped at this time in Rome (If I'm understanding your 'what' correctly). Matthew 24:13 But the person who endures to the end will be saved. That's a promise of comfort. Mat 24:34 I tell you the truth, this generation will...
  16. Lon

    Enduring to the end... not for us in the body of Christ

    Specifically the disciples/apostles enduring persecution and not to worry because they are going to be saved, though they are killed? It seems to me, a promise of comfort for 'this *(that) generation.' He said it wouldn't pass away until it had seen all of it.
  17. Lon

    Have I gone MAD???

    Agree. Because it does 'simply' say 'kind' of faith, as in "Can this kind of faith save him?" Otherwise, even if I 'were' Mid Acts, I'd have a hard problem with James counteracting what Paul says: "NOBODY is,was,ever shall be saved by keeping the works of the Law." You make a point last...
  18. Lon

    Have I gone MAD???

    I'm not sure it needs an answer. It is rather, what do I agree with and where am I different from any other Mid Acts theologian? When I first came to TOL in 2004, I wasn't as solid on my own theology, kind of ecumenical with good training but no experience field yet to hammer out my...
  19. Lon

    That's incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial, impassible, impeccable, and immutable! - Oct 23 2023

    Prior to sin, she'd never have seen it that way nor known it that way. Thank you for this dialogue btw. I appreciate you. Ask? You were, if someone is 'taken care of' that's love. My kids came home from the hospital EXACTLY this way! My kids couldn't move away and frankly didn't...
  20. Lon

    Answering old threads thread

    Have you changed any of your minds? 🤔 Asking for a friend :D
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